Could a Tunisia Type Event Happen In Your Country? |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 29 2011 at 23:11 | ||
Oh ok in that sense. Very true then
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 30 2011 at 04:42 | ||
It's 200%, not 10%. |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 30 2011 at 04:54 | ||
BTW I just read that the cost of higher education in the US has risen with over 800% since 1980, while the over-all inflation since that year was just above 120%. If that doesn't look wrong to you, like a problem that needs to be solved, then I am sorry for you.
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Blacksword
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Posted: January 30 2011 at 05:38 | ||
Thankyou. You got there before me. 10% indeed, if only |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 30 2011 at 09:51 | ||
It does, but your solution seems to be that government should absorb the cost of tuition. Since government is responsible for the boom in cost and unable to control the cost of anything, I disagree.
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Padraic
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Posted: January 30 2011 at 10:05 | ||
The real solution is don't go to uni and pay the inflated cost. |
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omri
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Posted: January 30 2011 at 10:54 | ||
First of all Tracktony is from Lebanon and I realy hope he's O.K. with the mess going on there lately.
I would say it can happen in almost every country. The US has their black and hispanic people frastrated, France has their muslims and strong actions made against their culture, Austalia has a climate crises that can lead to anarchy etc. I guess Scandinavian countries are quite safe and the same for Canada. My own country has it's problems but people are so afraid here of their neighbours they neglect the fact they are screwed by their own government so I doubt this will happen here.
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hobocamp
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 17 2010 Location: Fine Furniture Status: Offline Points: 525 |
Posted: January 30 2011 at 11:06 | ||
In light of recent events in Egypt I would surmise that it could happen in any country with a significant population of disenfranchised people. The reaction of those in power lives on a knife-edge.
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: January 30 2011 at 13:37 | ||
Things have got pretty bad in the UK in the past. In the 70's we were flat broke, borrowing from the IMF to keep afloat. To conserve energy costs we went down to a three day working week. There were mass strikes right across the public sector, and frequent power cuts. It could happen here again, although circumstances are different now. The point is, the kind of uprising we're seeing in Egypt, I couldn't ever imagine happening here. It didn't back then, so I've no reason to think it would happen now.
I expect we'll see widespread protest throughout 2011, but I don't think revolution is really our style. |
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Ronnie Pilgrim
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Posted: January 30 2011 at 13:44 | ||
"Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way..."
For the rest, it's rioting and looting. kidding
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Blacksword
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Posted: January 30 2011 at 13:52 | ||
I think that line sums it up beautifully. |
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Moogtron III
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: January 30 2011 at 14:10 | ||
No, it couldn't happen here, for the simple reason... THAT WE STILL DON'T HAVE A GOVERNMENT AFTER HUNDREDS OF DAYS OF NEGOTICIATING , so there's nothing to overthrow. I'd wish we had SOMETHING to overthrow
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 30 2011 at 14:28 | ||
I wasn't implying that Moris, just making a pedantic correction. Romanians did fight against four decades of totalitarian regime (more than just an authoritarian one). BTW I noticed that the Egyptian demonstrators look much better dressed, better fed, better educated than Romanian protesters did in 1989, and their cities look better than Bucharest does now, after two decades of capitalism. I never understood why did it took Romanians so much pain and sufferance to "wake up". |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 30 2011 at 14:37 | ||
You seem like the kind of guy that shoots first and asks questions later. No, I wouldn't imagine that as a "solution", putting a cost that I find ridiculous on the shoulders of either the student or the tax payers is not something that I'd consider a solution. |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: January 30 2011 at 14:48 | ||
Trust me, everybody in America is aware of the cost of higher education. Unfortunately, it's not something that protesting can solve and that's also true of the situation in the UK.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 30 2011 at 14:57 | ||
I don't know about the US, but you also don't seem to know much about the UK either Henry. The increase of tuitions in the UK was a purely political decision of the government, a decision which by the way one of the two parties in the ruling coalition promised (before the elections) not to support. A purely political decision can be just as well overruled by another political decision in the opposing direction, which is why the people are protesting. |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 30 2011 at 15:08 | ||
Well duh. It's more fun that way. I was just playing that odds. 90% of people mean that when they complain about it.
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harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
Posted: January 30 2011 at 15:28 | ||
That reminds me, you haven't done a trolling poll since too long (the Yes-PtH one).
BTW thanks for linking to Al Jazeera (I think it was KoS). They're fantastic. The two main news television in Romania haven't covered the global Arab unrest at all, they're focusing on ridiculously irrelevant topic of home affairs, chose according to the interests of the two chains' owners. |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: January 30 2011 at 15:40 | ||
It's not purely political. They're not doing it out of spite. Britain is going bankrupt and it's unsustainable. Yes, I know that they're not touching military spending while gutting the BBC and education subsidies and probably some other things I can't remember and I agree that's entirely the wrong way to go about it. But it seems (to me anyway, I admit I am disconnected from British politics) that the protesters want everything to go back to the way it was before, but that's not possible. I'm not disagreeing that the Ivy League etc. is a rip off, but you can't have a world class education at Oxford for the equivalent of $5400 a year (and sorry if that number isn't right, the Oxford website is confusing for my poor American brain). That's not much more than my community college, and that place is a sh*thole!
Edited by Henry Plainview - January 30 2011 at 15:41 |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 30 2011 at 15:58 | ||
It's a political decision in the fields of economics, I think we can agree on that (I know they didn't raise the tuition "just like that"). This year would cost you £3,290 at Oxford (source). I don't understand this:
Of course you get a great education there at these money, the tuition fees is not raised because the schools can't provide good education any more at these money, but because the government wants to reduce their funding (like you said) so they can balance the over-all deficit. Personally I agree that in the situation of crisis it's a correct decision to cut spending in as many domains as possible, but I believe you also need to evaluate these domains in a certain order of priorities. To me education is an essential investment and should be protected, especially while it doesn't consume that much anyway. The tories don't seem to share this view, but I think cutting equally from domains with different kind if an impact might be a very wrong decision. |
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