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thehallway 
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 Posted: January 23 2011 at 15:35 |
I haven't read the entire thread, so excuse any repetition......
The ABSOLUTE PRIMARY AND MOST COMMON reason behind somebody not liking this genre we call progressive rock is: they haven't heard it.
Even the people that have heard it, most likely haven't "heard" it.
You will not listen to something unless you want to, and how can you want to listen to something if a) you don't know it exists, b) you listened to a minimal amount for a minimal amount of time, and didn't like that, or c) listened for sufficient intervals but still did not find any enjoyment?
The answer to the above question is: you can't. The answer to the thread is: most people in the world fit into the a) category mentioned above. Some fit into the b) category. A minority DO listen to and enjoy prog rock. And an even smaller minority fall into the c) category.
Of course this is mere speculation, but my experience with "people" so far, leads me to believe that this is case.
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let prog reign
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Posted: January 23 2011 at 16:16 |
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People don't understand the great complexity of the music and the lyrics. People are overwhelmed by all the popular mainstream music and that's all they want.
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Prog Geo
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Posted: January 23 2011 at 16:24 |
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I'll say it again.They're a****les.And this phenomenon is non - logical.
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Posted: January 23 2011 at 20:34 |
 Prog Geo wrote:
I'll say it again.They're a****les.And this phenomenon is non - logical.
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Woah, calm down there.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: January 23 2011 at 22:00 |
Prog Geo wrote:
I'll say it again.They're a****les.And this phenomenon is non - logical.
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Let me see if I can summarise what we have so far:
1. I like Prog
2. Some people don't like Prog
3. Those people who don't like Prog may share a liking for other things I like apart from Prog
4. Those people who do like Prog may not share a liking for the other things we like apart from Prog
5. Ergo, the people who don't like Prog are a**holes
Conclusion:
a) My value system rests entirely upon an individuals opinion of a minority niche musical market
b) a* is certainly either non-logical or illogical
Edited by ExittheLemming - January 23 2011 at 22:32
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: January 23 2011 at 22:55 |
Bonnek wrote:
I try to look for music that wants to be more then just entertainment.
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What is music that is more than just entertainment? And please don't say art.
thehallway wrote:
The answer to the above question is: you can't. The answer to the thread is: most people in the world fit into the a) category mentioned above. Some fit into the b) category. A minority DO listen to and enjoy prog rock. And an even smaller minority fall into the c) category.
Of course this is mere speculation, but my experience with "people" so far, leads me to believe that this is case. |
Exactly, people are generally receptive to at least something within prog if they care about music and are willing to give it a chance. In fact, I would say that the majority of people are receptive to the majority of music, if they've heard it. It's all about promotion. I hate to break it to you guys, but prog is not exactly the most esoteric music available. Complaining about the poor taste of "mainstream music fans" is a bit ironic if you're listening to a Gold or Platinum certified classic album (Moving Pictures is even 4x Platinum), not to mention if like Pink Floyd or Led Zeppelin.
Edited by Henry Plainview - January 23 2011 at 23:00
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Anderson III
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 00:57 |
Junges wrote:
because most people aren't interested in music at all.
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 This is the correct answer!
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"Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 01:07 |
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Anderson III
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 01:08 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Bonnek wrote:
I try to look for music that wants to be more then just entertainment.
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What is music that is more than just entertainment? And please don't say art.
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How about anything? It could be a way to reach catharsis, a sleeping pill, a shot of adrenaline, or it could be even entertainment... Basicly music changes the way I see the world, and I don't know how it happens! It's art! Sorry.
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"Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo
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Anderson III
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 01:12 |
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"Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo
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cobb2
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 01:36 |
Why?
Because most people are shallow with short attention spans.....
Or
Most people have a life...
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JS19
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 08:13 |
cobb2 wrote:
Most people have a life... |
This
Edited by JS19 - January 24 2011 at 08:13
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Paravion
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 08:58 |
This thread is great fun. Converting people to prog. 
I also like how the concept of 'other people' is constantly invoked in order to express highly unsound and generalizing prejudices.
I don't care about - and don't have answer to - why prog is unpopular. But I think it's arrogant to assume that 'other people' in some way or other just don't understand it, haven't got the ability to concentrate and listen closely and generally aren't in possession of the many praiseworthy virtues required.
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JS19
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 13:30 |
Paravion wrote:
This thread is great fun. Converting people to prog.
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I love how that just got added to the thread name, when I certainly didn't put it there....
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moshkito
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 13:55 |
Tapfret wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
'Cos it ain't sexy and attempts to make it so would alienate it's consumers and just be plain vanilla creepy:
An oiled up Robert Fripp stripped to the waist in sparkly disco pants is NOT a spectator sport. |
We won't know til we try.
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Well, you gotta admit ... he might make KISS sound a lot better ... but the outfit, could be ... interesting to say the least, but an enjoyable joke!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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moshkito
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 14:14 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Because we live in a fast society that likes fast food and fast music.
They want the music served to dance or enjoy in their free time without having to do anything...Prog requires participation and especial attention from the listener...That's not what they want.
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I think this is the case in any "serious music" (sorry ... been stuck on the term since that Zappa issue of Mojo) .... and maybe this is the part of learning as one grows up.
I don't think that many of us, did not enjoy the mindless music in our teens. It wasn't exactly my thing then, but I could not say no to my girlfriend and not go to a disco for a couple of hours ... and it has nothing to do with the music, I don't think ... it has to do with just having some fun.
It is one of the issues with me for "classical music" that it does not have enough fun, and does not allow for the expression and freedom that rock and jazz has shown us in the past 60 years ... and while I wish to elevate the "progressive" music, in the end, I do not think I want to turn it into another dead beat piece of music that no one can enjoy or is going to bother seeing ... how many of us go to see the local symphony ... yeah ... let me see those fingers, and not the wrong one, please.
I think that it is all more of a reflection of "advertising" and the "media" than anything else. But it doesn't mean that we should not, or can not, show that ... the media and advertising ... are not always the best way to learn what music, or art is really all about.
It's up to us, and a board like this, to help implement that change ... is the way I look at it, and I try my best ... even if sometimes I come off ... with anchovies! ... (like the media doesn't! for me!)
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com
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thehallway
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 14:27 |
Lots of people like music.
But lots more people like "that new music video" or "that sexy new pop singer" It's more about celebrity than art now, where people idolise the artists and not the music itself. "Lady Gaga is such an inspiration 'cos she came from a poor background"....... this sounds like it may inspire a business person but not a musician. When it IS about the music, it is about dancing to it, or singing along to the melody (which is likely to be present throughout the entire song). When this isn't the case, you get rock, jazz, classical fans..... whatever. And a minority of these are prog fans; smaller in number because prog requires an even further level of dedication, commitment, time, money.......
Plus, prog is not very publicised.
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silverpot
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 14:32 |
JS19 wrote:
silverpot wrote:
I have a feeling that one of the explanations for the huge success of the seventies prog bands is that they created very good melodies. Amid the interesting arrangements, creative playing and fun time signatures there was almost always a hummable tune.
Very few of todays prog bands seem to put much emphasis on this aspect. Porcupine Tree and Tool do, but I have yet to hear a good song from Dream Theater (don't shoot me, I haven't heard everything, I might find something eventually). The playing is often great but good song writing is lacking.
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Blatant stereotyping will not really help this discussion... |
Hm, as far as I've seen in this thread a lot of stereotyping is going on. Like, people who doesn't like prog are unintelligent, can't enjoy complex music or is not even interested in music at all. As if there isn't a lot of music going on between prog and the Bieber kid.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 15:03 |
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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thehallway
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 15:13 |
^ Did I say they were??
Some people may indeed like the singer, video, AND music. These people are the young musicians who learn some chords on a piano/guitar and show off to their class mates. It takes a prog fan to shut them up with a crazy synth solo!
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