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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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 Posted: January 21 2011 at 16:06 |
Because we live in a fast society that likes fast food and fast music.
They want the music served to dance or enjoy in their free time without having to do anything...Prog requires participation and especial attention from the listener...That's not what they want.
Iván
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 16:07 |
 JS19 wrote:
Xanatos wrote:
Simple , not everybody is a musician xD |
I'll have to disagree with this. I am a music student (classical) and I know a lot of musicians, and not one is an avid fan of prog. It's not what people want when they sit down after a technical practice or composition, they want simplicity and enjoyment, and I understand the feeling. People don't want to mix work/school and relaxation, so complex structures and time signatures remind people of work/school. |
I think he wanted to make a joke. Not very successful IMO.
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Luna
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 16:23 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Because we live in a fast society that likes fast food and fast music.
They want the music served to dance or enjoy in their free times without having to do anything...Prog requires participation and especial attention from the listener...That's not what they want.
Iván |
Yup, people just want to dance, they don't have the time to actually digest music or keep any of it after a year, it's just Download Play [this section lasts one week to one month depending on how many times it is played on the radio  ] Delete
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JS19
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 16:41 |
SolarLuna96 wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Because we live in a fast society that likes fast food and fast music.
They want the music served to dance or enjoy in their free times without having to do anything...Prog requires participation and especial attention from the listener...That's not what they want.
Iván |
Yup, people just want to dance, they don't have the time to actually digest music or keep any of it after a year, it's just
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Sad really, because good music is such an amazing and expressive thing that most people miss out on...
A part of me, however, kind of likes that: I'm keeping it all for myself 
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 16:57 |
A lot of prog is popular without being known as "prog" in popular culture. Dream Theater are very popular at the moment but alot of people just think of them as a heavy metal band. And of course Radiohead (but lets not get into that debate). Iron Maiden, Tool, Peter Gabriel all very widely known but never referred to as prog outside prog circles. I guess prog is a derogatory term nowadays
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Prog Geo
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 16:59 |
topographicbroadways wrote:
A lot of prog is popular without being known as "prog" in popular culture. Dream Theater are very popular at the moment but alot of people just think of them as a heavy metal band. And of course Radiohead (but lets not get into that debate).Iron Maiden, Tool, Peter Gabriel all very widely known but never referred to as prog outside prog circles. I guess prog is a derogatory term nowadays |
You're right!
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 17:06 |
Story:
In my grade 11 computers class today, we had to present about ourselves. One girl in my class included her favourite bands in the presentation. One of which was Spock's Beard.  |
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silcir
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 17:14 |
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Prog was enormous in the 70's. I Mean really Big.
Nowadays its true it aint popular. Though i must say that a good part of my friends, either female or male, likes JEthro Tull, The folsky sound attracts people, true story.
Anyway in general, the problem with prog is that most of it doesnt end in 3min songs. And the newer prog artists are don't care about being popular.
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JS19
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 17:14 |
Prog Geo wrote:
topographicbroadways wrote:
A lot of prog is popular without being known as "prog" in popular culture. Dream Theater are very popular at the moment but alot of people just think of them as a heavy metal band. And of course Radiohead (but lets not get into that debate).Iron Maiden, Tool, Peter Gabriel all very widely known but never referred to as prog outside prog circles. I guess prog is a derogatory term nowadays |
You're right!
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I love how bands like Dillinger Escape Plan use terms like Mathcore, ect just so they don't have to use the word prog, because then they wouldn't sell. Critics never say that something is progressive either, they will come up with a million other (wrong) words to describe them though. It's like it's a dirty word
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The Quiet One
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 17:33 |
Xanatos wrote:
Simple , not everybody is a musician xD |
 I'm not a musician.
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Catcher10
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 17:33 |
JS19 wrote:
Xanatos wrote:
Simple , not everybody is a musician xD |
I'll have to disagree with this. I am a music student (classical) and I know a lot of musicians, and not one is an avid fan of prog. It's not what people want when they sit down after a technical practice or composition, they want simplicity and enjoyment, and I understand the feeling. People don't want to mix work/school and relaxation, so complex structures and time signatures remind people of work/school. |
That's a matter of opinion...If you are someone who is gonna sit there and try to disect a song to the point that you are tryng to count the time signatures, then yea I guess your gonna fry your brain.
When I work from home I have my stereo going loud enough where I can hear it well and so much that when my phone rings I have to turn it down...I don't want my customers thinking I am at a concert everytime they call me  .
But in noway for me, does it hamper my processing of work and at the same time I can plug the earphones in and laydown and I will be out like a light......music soothes the savage beast.
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 17:42 |
Two reasons:
1. VIRTUOSITY ISN'T ACCESSIBLE. The press always believed that the rock-and-roll lifestyle should be the highest aspiration (because that's what they wanted)--not musical virtuosity. The musically gifted can be admired, but not emulated--it's better to be a personality, because anyone can do the latter. And it's easier to market. Were there any prog rock hijinks that captured mainstream attention? I can't name any that mainstream music fans would know about.
2. Apologies in advance for this, and there are exceptions, but in appreciable numbers CHICKS & PROG ROCK DON'T MIX, fan-wise or groupie-wise, so the press hated it for that reason too.
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Prog Geo
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 18:07 |
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That's why Gene Simmons was wondering if Rush are gay.
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Sonorous Meal show every Sunday at 20:00 (greek time) on http://www.justincaseradio.com
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JS19
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 18:09 |
Prog Geo wrote:
That's why Gene Simmons was wondering if Rush are gay.
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Got to love Beyond The Lighted Stage 
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Jazzywoman
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 18:12 |
I mean, I've been a prog fan for about 5 years or so now....and thats a miracle coming from someone who used to love Brittany Spears...(yes, im very ashamed....no question....  ). Anyways, progressive rock is just too intense to listen to for normal minds. I mean, when I went to school and I played something like "Subdivisions" from Rush on my ipod or "Lord of Light" from Hawkwind...no one clicked with it. Then again, Hawkwind is extremely odd with their audio generators and such...anyways, moving back on topic. I don't think they feel that some emotion as they do with their so called "artists." Some claim that progressive rock has no emotion, as it may be just all virtuosity and fantasy based lyrics. Now, this may be true, but there is so much more than that. Bands like Rush, Yes, Genesis, etc... have put tons of emotion, thought and time into crafting a part of a song, yet it takes someone like Justine Beiber..(yes, the e at the end of his name was intended...  ) two seconds to write a completely nonsense and annoying hook that every 5-16 year old girl is going to love to hear. It's all about easy listening, yet it seems that the easiest listening nowadays comes from prog.... 
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timburlane
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 18:50 |
When I was thirteen/fourteen I was into heavy rock. This would have been 1977/78 and being a fan of Rush, Zeppelin, Queen, Sabbath etc was socially a bit of of trial at school where most of my peers were into punk in a big way and had really bought into the cultural politics of the movement as well. In the UK at the time, even in the rural backwater where I lived, the sentiment was "out with the old, in with the new" and the first bands in the firing line were the big prog bands because almost overnight they seemed out-dated and out of touch. The music of rebellion seven years previously had become the music of the establishment and to many of my mates it was totally divorced from anything they were remotely interested in. In this country the natural constituency for progressive music was the middle class and they deserted it in their droves for punk in those years. It had something to say about the world which prog/heavy rock/metal didn't.
I still liked all the unfashionable stuff, more so BECAUSE it was unfashionable I suspect, and yet there's no denying that the Clash, The Pistols and the Stranglers, amonst many others also lit my candle. I was outragfed that music that I loved was suddenly out of favour and I and a small group of friends chuntered on to each other about how stupid the others were but I think secretly we loved being a minority. We considered ourselves intellectually superior to knuckle-dragging fashion drones because we appreciated quality musicianship and the idea of putting on a show.
I'm forty six now and frankly I've grown up. I'm a working musician and teacher and I've seen all kinds of fads come and go. The music I listen tois no longer a part of some tribal identity and (nearly) everything i used to sneer at is stuff that I can appreciate now. I like, no I LOVE prog but many people I know and respect don't, the same way they don't get the country/blugrass/experimetal/dance music that I'm into and that's cool. All this is a slightly pissed ramble, for which I apologise....
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 18:57 |
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I love how bands like Dillinger Escape Plan use terms like Mathcore, ect just so they don't have to use the word prog, because then they wouldn't sell. Critics never say that something is progressive either, they will come up with a million other (wrong) words to describe them though. It's like it's a dirty word [/QUOTE]
yes i've heard lots of this stuff most prog metal bands end up being called "hard-thrash-dripple-throbcore" i find any metal sub genre ending in core nowadays is an ashamed prog performer
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Luna
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 19:00 |
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^ Yeah when/if I have a prog band, I will try to catagorize myself as prog as much as possible just to get it into people's thick heads
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CPicard
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 19:12 |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 21 2011 at 19:43 |
Because it isn't promoted like popular music. You have your rock stations your soft rock stations your pop rock stations your country rock stations, etc. All of them either play stuff that was popular in the past or stuff that the record companies are pushing. But in the end I don't really care, nor do I take a snobbish point of view when it comes to prog, even though we are an elite group of music lovers. 
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