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Snow Dog 
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 Posted: January 12 2011 at 17:40 |
 Deaniau wrote:
Is Wales in Europe? |
Not according to the map on an EU booklet that came out a few years back
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presdoug
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Posted: January 12 2011 at 20:37 |
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I did not realise that Dr. Seuss was mainly just a US thing (they were well known books in Canada, too, where i grew up as a child)
The books were delightful, as well as several animated cartoons that were made based on the books, the wittiest being "The Star Bellied Sneetches", a kind of a parody of the insanity and mindlessness of the arms race
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 00:07 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Deaniau wrote:
Is Wales in Europe? |
Not according to the map on an EU booklet that came out a few years back
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Some kind soul towed it away then? but (gulp) to where? 
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Epignosis
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 06:27 |
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Now
that's a rather indefensible thing to say- giving yourself, your
friends, relatives, neighbors and the like a pass because they're "all
wrong at times,"
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A jeez.. Yes I'm giving everyone that has no interest in promoting one
spesific product instead of another a pass.
Comparing those, and saying that since your neighbour and the
advertising company might both be wrong, there's really no difference,
and we should trust or distrust both equally, is absurd (but basically how
Equality7-2... concludes)
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Well, I don't know why you would do that.
By the way, when people go to job interviews, are they not pitching themselves? Would you then accuse your neighbors and friends who try to get a job of being devious advertisers? 
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Some people work in advertising for a living. I believe those people in general would try to sell whatever product they get payed to sell. Equality2-7... thinks ads are good for the consumer. I don't get how it can be good as its not about real information, only selling.
This has nothing to do with someone trying to get a job. If this person is lying or pretending to be something they're not to get the job, I might respect them a little less. Just like I would find a100% honest advertisement more sympathetic than a manipulative ad based on lies. The main point is that I'm really not into ads, and Reality2-7.. dislikes that.
Product testing is sometimes payed for and false, our neighbour might be wrong or work in the company he reccomoends, but all that is beside the point. The principle is that its wiser to trust what you believe is an independent source.
The only thing worse than a crappy commercial for some junk, is a great commercial for the same junk.
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I am a consumer. I like most ads. Many of them are entertaining and remind me to buy pizza and beer, which I also like. I appreciate that. By the way, what in this world is about real information? The news?  
When a person actively tries to get a job, he is trying to sell himself. He is advertising himself. He is pitching himself to employers. What makes him different than a person trying to sell a product? By the way, how do you know which ads are lies and which ones are honest? You suggest that you automatically can tell. I'm interested in knowing how.
Wiser to trust independent sources? Sure, but who is arguing against that?
Here's the thing- if you are angry about ads because they are manipulative, is it because you've been screwed so many times in the past? If it is, then maybe it's your problem and you need to stop believing everything you see and hear.
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You're a nitpicker. Just how is it difficult to understand my opinion? Why do you have to bring up a person trying to get a job? A person trying to sell themselves or something he or she made is not the issue. Because that's not a part of the commercial world of advertising, is it?
No I haven't been screwed. Is that the only reason you can think of for disliking ads? I can't believe anyone actually likes it, but I now know you and some others do. Neither nazis or religious fundamentalists has ever screwed me over, but I don't like them either. Shouldn't be possible according to your logic.
I dislike ads because its all over the place, taking up space on the radio, TV (which I rarely listen to/look at) newspapers, in the cities, making a beautiful street or building look ugly and cheap. If advertising was someting obscure and quiet for geeks, like stamp collecting, I wouldn't mind.
Btw: Someone else in this thread compared independent sources with ads, and saw no difference. It was sort of a reply to that.
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Yes, it is absolutely a part of the commercial world of advertising. It's the circle of life (of goods and services).
Not "logic-" I posed a suppositional question; if the answer is no, fine.
"If advertising was something obscure and quiet for geeks, like stamp collecting, I wouldn't mind." So advertising should exist for your personal aesthetic pleasure? I'm impressed by this level of hubris. I'm also impressed you're still on Prog Archives, which has plenty of advertisements in all forms (and not just ones that pay our webmaster money). Did you ever stop to think that those advertisements that "clutter" TV, radio, and other places are there because the TV, radio, and "other places" people wanted those ads there and created a massive market for them?
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 06:39 |
Epignosis wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Now
that's a rather indefensible thing to say- giving yourself, your
friends, relatives, neighbors and the like a pass because they're "all
wrong at times," |
A jeez.. Yes I'm giving everyone that has no interest in promoting one
spesific product instead of another a pass.
Comparing those, and saying that since your neighbour and the
advertising company might both be wrong, there's really no difference,
and we should trust or distrust both equally, is absurd (but basically how
Equality7-2... concludes)
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Well, I don't know why you would do that.By the way, when people go to job interviews, are they not pitching themselves? Would you then accuse your neighbors and friends who try to get a job of being devious advertisers? |
Some people work in advertising for a living. I believe those people in general would try to sell whatever product they get payed to sell. Equality2-7... thinks ads are good for the consumer. I don't get how it can be good as its not about real information, only selling. This has nothing to do with someone trying to get a job. If this person is lying or pretending to be something they're not to get the job, I might respect them a little less. Just like I would find a100% honest advertisement more sympathetic than a manipulative ad based on lies. The main point is that I'm really not into ads, and Reality2-7.. dislikes that. Product testing is sometimes payed for and false, our neighbour might be wrong or work in the company he reccomoends, but all that is beside the point. The principle is that its wiser to trust what you believe is an independent source. The only thing worse than a crappy commercial for some junk, is a great commercial for the same junk. |
I am a consumer. I like most ads. Many of them are entertaining and remind me to buy pizza and beer, which I also like. I appreciate that. By the way, what in this world is about real information? The news? When a person actively tries to get a job, he is trying to sell himself. He is advertising himself. He is pitching himself to employers. What makes him different than a person trying to sell a product? By the way, how do you know which ads are lies and which ones are honest? You suggest that you automatically can tell. I'm interested in knowing how.Wiser to trust independent sources? Sure, but who is arguing against that? Here's the thing- if you are angry about ads because they are manipulative, is it because you've been screwed so many times in the past? If it is, then maybe it's your problem and you need to stop believing everything you see and hear. |
You're a nitpicker. Just how is it difficult to understand my opinion? Why do you have to bring up a person trying to get a job? A person trying to sell themselves or something he or she made is not the issue. Because that's not a part of the commercial world of advertising, is it? No I haven't been screwed. Is that the only reason you can think of for disliking ads? I can't believe anyone actually likes it, but I now know you and some others do. Neither nazis or religious fundamentalists has ever screwed me over, but I don't like them either. Shouldn't be possible according to your logic. I dislike ads because its all over the place, taking up space on the radio, TV (which I rarely listen to/look at) newspapers, in the cities, making a beautiful street or building look ugly and cheap. If advertising was someting obscure and quiet for geeks, like stamp collecting, I wouldn't mind. Btw: Someone else in this thread compared independent sources with ads, and saw no difference. It was sort of a reply to that. |
Yes, it is absolutely a part of the commercial world of advertising. It's the circle of life (of goods and services). Not "logic-" I posed a suppositional question; if the answer is no, fine."If advertising was something obscure and quiet for geeks, like stamp collecting, I wouldn't mind." So advertising should exist for your personal aesthetic pleasure? I'm impressed by this level of hubris. I'm also impressed you're still on Prog Archives, which has plenty of advertisements in all forms (and not just ones that pay our webmaster money). Did you ever stop to think that those advertisements that "clutter" TV, radio, and other places are there because the TV, radio, and "other places" people wanted those ads there and created a massive market for them? |
I despise it because its all over the place and there's absolutely no escaping it (Unlike stamp collecting which is easily avoidable.).
Admin note -
Personal attack removed.
Edited by Jim Garten - January 13 2011 at 09:54
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 07:28 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Deaniau wrote:
Is Wales in Europe? |
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Clever....
But Continentals would much prefer having Wales and excluding the always-troublesome England...
if only for the Ty-Nan blue-bottled water
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 07:32 |
presdoug wrote:
I did not realise that Dr. Seuss was mainly just a US thing (they were well known books in Canada, too, where i grew up as a child)
The books were delightful, as well as several animated cartoons that were made based on the books, the wittiest being "The Star Bellied Sneetches", a kind of a parody of the insanity and mindlessness of the arms race
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Personally, me and my children can't stand them. And that awful Grinch film with Jim Carrey is beyond hideous.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 09:31 |
Snow Dog wrote:
presdoug wrote:
I did not realise that Dr. Seuss was mainly just a US thing (they were well known books in Canada, too, where i grew up as a child)
The books were delightful, as well as several animated cartoons that were made based on the books, the wittiest being "The Star Bellied Sneetches", a kind of a parody of the insanity and mindlessness of the arms race
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Personally, me and my children can't stand them. And that awful Grinch film with Jim Carrey is beyond hideous. |
That's not fair, nobody likes the Jim Carrey movie.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 09:35 |
Saperlipopette! wrote:
- Advertisment in our streets on TV, at the movies, on radio etc...
- ... gun right activism
- Taking the bus, tube of tram. Train is ok.
- ... marjuana
- ...self-proclaimed anarchists
- So called enviromental skepticism
- 911 Truth Movement (Truthers)
- Massproduced crap from IKEA and similar concepts
- Parenthood
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Looking back at your list you're like the anti-me.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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rushfan4
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 09:36 |
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I do not like Green Eggs and Ham....
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 09:39 |
I don't like the earlier animated films either, never seen The Cat In teh Hat film and will not.
Quite liked that elphant got the hoo film.....
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Jim Garten
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 09:55 |
Let's keep it civil, people  No personal attacks, eh?
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 10:00 |
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How are we supposed to win discussions if you take way ad hominem arguments?
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 10:02 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
How are we supposed to win discussions if you take way ad hominem arguments?
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But personal insults are not needed to win arguments you dimwit.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 10:16 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
How are we supposed to win discussions if you take way ad hominem arguments?
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But personal insults are not needed to win arguments you dimwit. |
If I wanted a moron's opinion I'd ask for it, slowly and in simple language, so that your tiny brain could comprehend the question.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 10:28 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
How are we supposed to win discussions if you take way ad hominem arguments?
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But personal insults are not needed to win arguments you dimwit. |
If I wanted a moron's opinion I'd ask for it, slowly and in simple language, so that your tiny brain could comprehend the question.
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Come now. If you wanted a moron's opinion your first stop would be to read your own posts.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 10:29 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
How are we supposed to win discussions if you take way ad hominem arguments?
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But personal insults are not needed to win arguments you dimwit. |
If I wanted a moron's opinion I'd ask for it, slowly and in simple language, so that your tiny brain could comprehend the question.
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Come now. If you wanted a moron's opinion your first stop would be to read your own posts. |
I HATE YOU 
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 10:29 |
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 10:34 |
just to answer to Pat
Saperlipopette! wrote:
- Advertisment in our streets on TV, at the movies, on radio etc...
- Tea party movements and gun right activism
- Celebrities that think they got something important to say because microphones are shoved into their face.
- New fully-automated buildings/architecture & cars
- Comedies with three stupid men and a sillicon bimbo on the cover
- Taking the bus, tube or tram. Train is ok. >> tube is OK
- Punks, speed and self-proclaimed anarchists (who generally aren'"t)
- So called enviromental skepticism
- Massproduced crap from IKEA and similar concepts
- Parenthood & mariage
- Fashion
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actually I dig most of this list... erased a few and amended some more
Snow Dog wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
How are we supposed to win discussions if you take way ad hominem arguments? |
But personal insults are not needed to win arguments you dimwit. |
If I wanted a moron's opinion I'd ask for it, slowly and in simple language, so that your tiny brain could comprehend the question.
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Come now. If you wanted a moron's opinion your first stop would be to read your own posts. |
good one Snowy
Still no offence, Pat.... But he's won this bout
Edited by Sean Trane - January 13 2011 at 10:37
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 10:37 |
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We probably wouldn't get along very well.
Especially now that you've sided with my mortal enemy from across the pond.
Edited by Equality 7-2521 - January 13 2011 at 10:38
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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