Things you're really, really NOT into. (not music)

Saperlipopette! wrote:

Some people work in advertising for a living. I believe those people in general would try to sell whatever product they get payed to sell. Equality2-7... thinks ads are good for the consumer. I don't get how it can be good as its not about real information, only selling.

This has nothing to do with someone trying to get a job. If this person is lying or pretending to be something they're not to get the job, I might respect them a little less. Just like I would find a100% honest advertisement more sympathetic than a manipulative ad based on lies. The main point is that I'm really not into ads, and Reality2-7.. dislikes that.

Product testing is sometimes payed for and false, our neighbour might be wrong or work in the company he reccomoends, but all that is beside the point. The principle is that its wiser to trust what you believe is an independent source. 

The only thing worse than a crappy commercial for some junk, is a great commercial for the same junk.
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I think you have a crush on me. You talk about me a lot.

I don't care that you dislike ads. I dislike people that constantly complain about advertisement and portray it as predatory by nature. Those are two completely different things.

I could care less about anybody's preference on anything.

I drink multiple Guinness a day and I haven't seen that last symptom. You might want to see a doctor. Or a farmer.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: I think you have a crush on me. You talk about me a lot. I don't care that you dislike ads. I dislike people that constantly complain about advertisement and portray it as predatory by nature. Those are two completely different things. I could care less about anybody's preference on anything.

You're confusing a crush with someone finding you annoying. It probably happens all the time, but you don't notice. Btw: I was referring to you because you wrote this, quite the opposite of my opinion:

Equality 7-2521 wrote: I'm really dislike the opinion that advertising is bad.

Saperlipopette! wrote: Epignosis wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: Epignosis wrote: Now that's a rather indefensible thing to say- giving yourself, your friends, relatives, neighbors and the like a pass because they're "all wrong at times," A jeez.. Yes I'm giving everyone that has no interest in promoting one spesific product instead of another a pass. Comparing those, and saying that since your neighbour and the advertising company might both be wrong, there's really no difference, and we should trust or distrust both equally, is absurd  (but basically how Equality7-2... concludes) Well, I don't know why you would do that. By the way, when people go to job interviews, are they not pitching themselves?  Would you then accuse your neighbors and friends who try to get a job of being devious advertisers?  Some people work in advertising for a living. I believe those people in general would try to sell whatever product they get payed to sell. Equality2-7... thinks ads are good for the consumer. I don't get how it can be good as its not about real information, only selling. This has nothing to do with someone trying to get a job. If this person is lying or pretending to be something they're not to get the job, I might respect them a little less. Just like I would find a100% honest advertisement more sympathetic than a manipulative ad based on lies. The main point is that I'm really not into ads, and Reality2-7.. dislikes that. Product testing is sometimes payed for and false, our neighbour might be wrong or work in the company he reccomoends, but all that is beside the point. The principle is that its wiser to trust what you believe is an independent source.  The only thing worse than a crappy commercial for some junk, is a great commercial for the same junk.

I am a consumer.  I like most ads.  Many of them are entertaining and remind me to buy pizza and beer, which I also like.  I appreciate that.  By the way, what in this world is about real information?  The news? 

When a person actively tries to get a job, he is trying to sell himself.  He is advertising himself.  He is pitching himself to employers.  What makes him different than a person trying to sell a product?  By the way, how do you know which ads are lies and which ones are honest?  You suggest that you automatically can tell.  I'm interested in knowing how.

Wiser to trust independent sources?  Sure, but who is arguing against that? 

Here's the thing- if you are angry about ads because they are manipulative, is it because you've been screwed so many times in the past?  If it is, then maybe it's your problem and you need to stop believing everything you see and hear. 

Saperlipopette! wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: I think you have a crush on me. You talk about me a lot. I don't care that you dislike ads. I dislike people that constantly complain about advertisement and portray it as predatory by nature. Those are two completely different things. I could care less about anybody's preference on anything. You're confusing a crush with someone finding you annoying. It probably happens all the time, but you don't notice. Btw: I was referring to you because you wrote this, quite the opposite of my opinion: Equality 7-2521 wrote: I'm really dislike the opinion that advertising is bad.

Nah I'm pretty sure you like me. We can chat sometime if you want.

Clearly that was a troll post to start discussion. I just elaborated my opinion for you kind sir.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: Sean Trane wrote: I'm not assuming it... I just know it's the case, or else all you (as a manufacturer) would have to do is put an add in one of these paper advertising folders... If indeed you the consumer) wanted to know it existed, all you'd have to do     There was nothing to answer. I'm not even sure what you really mean by that. If you're talking about advertisement bringing about our nation's penchant for over consumption, >>>> not just your country, but western and far-eastern society as well, even if the US always have a few miles advantage away in the wrong direction for the healthy future of mankind     Pat,   We never did agree on much, probably not even on prog (except for some classics, maybe) but to be discussing such an evident subject as the preverted effects of advertising and you denying it like you do with such a bad faith as yours, leads me to think that you're studying  and planning a career into advertising... either that or your father is the owner of the biggest advertisement agency around...     no hard feelings, but I give up....   not because you're right and won the debate through good argumentations,, but just because you're too stubborn (probably because oif your youth) to ever see the errors of your thinking and philosophy   I would usually take this as a veiled insult, but I'm going to chalk it up to more of a language barrier because you're a pretty friendly guy. I'll assure you that I find advertising very boring and have no interest in it. As much as I would enjoy my father being in such a lofty position, it's not so. I'll say that I believe it's far from evident. I think the point is only evident in that it's the popularized perception. I could point out many false things which are evident from the same position. I've changed my opinion many many times. It comes from very sound arguments which I feel actually defeat my thought out position, and not from two or three short posts on a forum. Such a thing could be an impetus for me rethinking my position and eventually changing it, but if anyone honestly thinks a few posts on this forum, thought of and typed in a 3 min span, then they are either delusion or have failed to give any critical thought to their positions.

Everything needs advertising, whether it is a product or just an idea, nothing sells itself and no matter how great it is no one will beat a path to your door to buy-in to it if they have never heard of it. The idea that a product will sell itself is a notion that never happens, word-of-mouth is viral advertising regardless of who orchestrates it or how it propagates. Every album on this site has been the subject of some form of advertisement, even if that was someone unrelated and unconnected to the band posting a suggestion in the forum - Pat's signature is a form of advertising for all the bands listed in it, the Brel quote in Hugues' signature is a form of advertising for whoever is the beneficiary of sales of his works.

Edited by Dean - January 11 2011 at 13:04

   

Edited by Dean - January 11 2011 at 13:09

Yep^

Edited by Padraic - January 11 2011 at 13:34