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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2004 at 12:47
With Metheny, I always preferred the trio format. No keyboards, too smooth.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2004 at 13:05
Originally posted by danbo danbo wrote:

Yeah Shadowfax.... New Electric India! Great tune. Their first two or three albums were great.

 

I suppose it was the Windham Hill new age/ambient connection that has had me forget this excellent band for so long. Danbo is right wrt New Electric India - Indo-jazz fusions of a high standard.

Metheny with Jaco, Bright Size Life? One of my favorite Jazz moments.

Coincidently I was listening last night to David Fuze Fiuczinski's great but different version of Bright Size - Fuze's albums (e.g. with Screaming Headless Torsos) are some of the best jazz rock fusion to appear in the 90's. I also strongly recommend to all jazz rock fusion fans to go find Come Together: A Beatles Tribute album (I can't remember whether on  Volume 1 or 2) for both Wayne Krantz's and Fuze's very different solo takes on Tomorrow Never Knows. Two tour de force pieces of music. Elsewhere on this pair of CDs is HoldsworthTerj Rypdal and many other notables.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2004 at 13:57

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

I also strongly recommend to all jazz rock fusion fans to go find Come Together: A Beatles Tribute album (Volume 1 )  Elsewhere on this pair of CDs is HoldsworthTerj Rypdal and many other notables.
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Holdsworth's versions of Michelle is one great cover. Pairs up nicely with Norwegian Wood from None Too Soon.

There are some other great moments on this disc as well.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2004 at 12:53

Fusion is a great form of expressing rock and jazz without the "prog rules" i might say... From Return to Forever, through Bela Fleck, you might get lost in this universe, i consider myself a proghead AND a fusionnerd, and fusion is wider than prog in many ways (as an example, we have in progarchives some fusion bands). The problem with fusion is that there is no "constant bands" as well in jazz. Return to Forever and Mahavishnu Orchestra has a lot of periods and they were the "tight" lineups from the genre. The story of Miles Davis, John Mclaghin, Chick Corea, Joe Zawinul and etc. is based on the constant line-up changes, and musical experiments.

So, i suggest you to hear a "supergroup" from fusion called VITALTECHTONES, what a ride, and if you like to get a little more mellow and complex, try hearing JAN GARABREK's IN PRAISE OF DREAMS.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2004 at 15:38

Originally posted by arqwave arqwave wrote:

The problem with fusion is that there is no "constant bands" as well in jazz. Return to Forever and Mahavishnu Orchestra has a lot of periods and they were the "tight" lineups from the genre. The story of Miles Davis, John Mclaghin, Chick Corea, Joe Zawinul and etc. is based on the constant line-up changes, and musical experiments.

I think it's those "line-up changes" that keep things interesting. Especially if they include different instrumentation. The same line-up on each album gets tedious over time. MIX IT UP.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2004 at 15:51

Originally posted by Carl floyd fan Carl floyd fan wrote:

I know I've heard fusion before cause i liked it, i just can't think of anything off the top of my head...maybe zappa or hatfield and north...i dunno, but what are some good, (strcictly) 70s fusion?

No one mentioned them (shame on you !!!) but the Dixie Dregs released some f*****g good stuff : 'What if' being an example of open-mindedness, blending rock, fusion, bluegrass, baroque and romantic balad.

Another artist that released some fascinating albums :           ;           ;         David Sancious, on 'Just as I thought' he also proves to be open-minded, playing jazz-fusion, pop-rock and classical music. You can note that the track named "Suite for the end of an age" is very UK-ish, remembering the suite (which title I don't remember) on UK's second album.

 

"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2004 at 16:22
Originally posted by arqwave arqwave wrote:

Fusion is a great form of expressing rock and jazz without the "prog rules" i might say...

As I've written many time here jazz rock (not the ambiguous jazz fusion* -  Shakti is jazz fusion but where's the rock ) was considered prog rock without argument, particularly  when Soft Machine Third, Mahavishnu Orchestra ,RTF and Weather Report appeared on the scene - jazz hybridised with rock - broadening the bounds of rock (we didn't get over complicated with our defintion of jazzrock) .

 

(*And the term has been debased meaning MOR easy listening jazz or elevator jazz muzak)

So, i suggest you to hear a "supergroup" from fusion called VITALTECHTONES, what a ride, and if you like to get a little more mellow and complex, try hearing JAN GARBAREK's IN PRAISE OF DREAMS.

Two excellent recommendations - in fact vitually anything Garbarek's released on ECM in the last 15 years is great world influenced  jazz fusion. And much of what Steve Smith has played on for Tone Center Records is worth tracking down. I particularly liked the album with Larry Coryell and Tom Coster

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2004 at 17:11
dont forget Bill bruford. he has exellent fusion. its actually my favorite fusion band, you gotta check him out. brand x too!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2004 at 17:43

Eddy said: "love you all" guess who said that? (Hint: its one of the YEs members!)

 

Hey I never knew Liberace played for Yes - was this between Tony Kaye leaving and Rick Wakeman joining for the first time?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2004 at 19:58

 no, i dont even know who liberrace is. ANd i dont think he ever was in yes. but i mis as well tel you since you seem interested. allen white said that in a interveiw of him. that the first thing hbe said. the interveiw is actually on the yesworld website. so i just thought i fool around. Thx for being interested though, noone else has even said a word about it and i had it when i first joined wehich was  like a month or something ago. i must had have them all stumped!

Now again back on topic, if you want fusion, i say again go with billbruford, which was once a member of yes. he's a very talented drummer, check out his first cd!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2004 at 08:48
Fantastic thread: loads of information for someone wanting to find out more. This is what makes ProgArchives special.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2004 at 09:21
Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

best metheny is secret story, then wichita falls<

but have you heard the lyle mays album? pat metheny is ordinary compared to it!!

 

It is my second all time best album!

IMO the most 'fusion' Metheny records I have heard are 'American Garage' and 'Imaginary Day'

I also like the trio stuff Danbo 80/81 is a fine album.

Have your heard 'Zero Tollerance For Silence'? That is a slab of sonic brutality and a half!!

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2004 at 10:27
Originally posted by Eddy Eddy wrote:

 no, i dont even know who liberrace is. ANd i dont think he ever was in yes. but i mis as well tel you since you seem interested. allen white said that in a interveiw of him. that the first thing hbe said. the interveiw is actually on the yesworld website. so i just thought i fool around. Thx for being interested though, noone else has even said a word about it and i had it when i first joined wehich was  like a month or something ago. i must had have them all stumped!

Now again back on topic, if you want fusion, i say again go with billbruford, which was once a member of yes. he's a very talented drummer, check out his first cd!

Sorry Eddie

Jokes fall flat when somebody does not understand the references.

Liberace was an archetypal Las Vegas  performer from the 60's thru to the 80's - died of AIDS related complications: loved his sequins and as trade marks had a candelabra on his piano and a couple of fistfuls of finger rings. Musically he played light classical or pop made to sound light classical - Richard Clayderman has tried to replace Liberace but completley failed. Liberace's famous closing catch phrase at the end of every performance was what you quoted!

 

With you there, Bruford's Feels Good To Me is my favourite jazz rock album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2004 at 10:40

Feels Good alright!

I remember buying the U.K. album and discovering Holdsworth for the first time. Soon after I heard about FGTM, went out and snatched it up and sheeesh, what an awesome album. I'd heard Mahvishnu, Weather Report and Return to Forever, but this one grabbed me by the head and turned me into a fusion nut. Then JL Ponty and Gong, the rest is history.... Wow!

We can't leave out Larry Coryell, Steve Carlton and Lee Ritenour.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2004 at 12:11

A good Pat Metheny record to check out is 76's Bright Size Life. He's recording a trio with none other than Jaco Pastorius! Its not a full fury show-off-our-chops kind of record, its actually pretty laid back, but the music is incredible.

Metheny's most recent, Speaking of Now, is pretty impressive as well. He's got a trumpeter on this one, which adds a new flavor to the group's sound. Vice nice stuff.

The fusion bassists need some more recognition too. Stanley Clarke and Jaco are two of the most incredbile bassists ever, along with Miroslav Vitous, Ron Carter, Dave Holland, Alphonzo Johnson, etc...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2004 at 20:01
still life (talking), letter from home and first circle are excellent albums too, but secret story has a symphonic dimension in addition!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2004 at 23:52

Anybody who's anybody should own all of Al DiMeola's albums up through at least, but not limited to, Electric Rendez-Vous & Tour De Force - Live. Awesome stuff, and Jan Hammer played with Al quite a bit.

Speaking of Hammer, anybody who's anybody should own The First Seven Days and the Beck/Hammer live album. And the Hammer albums with David Earle Johnson. Nobody lays down a monophonic synth/Moog solo like Jan. Not even the prog greats like Keith, Rick, Eddie and Patrick. You readin' me loud & clear, Linda?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2004 at 02:53
Originally posted by sigod sigod wrote:

Mahavishnu Orchestra head the top of my list along with Return To Forever and maybe Brand X. I'd also suggest some of the mid-seventies Jeff Beck (eg. There And Back) as well.

Three examples that immediately spring to mind!

Go for this guy's advice!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2004 at 03:17
Does someone knows:

Volker Kriegel

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2004 at 03:35

The "holy trinity" of Jeff Beck albums:

Blow By Blow

Wired (his best)

There And Back

Guitar Shop (1989) - tasty, also.

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