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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2010 at 20:04
Originally posted by andyman1125 andyman1125 wrote:

I see Bad Salad in the track listing Big smile

Downloading now!

Cool! Smile

Thanks a lot for adding the album and the two music videos (created just for this project!) to the PA database, Andy!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2010 at 04:19
Originally posted by Kyo Kyo wrote:

a very casual collective of indie artists
 
Says it all. I think you've done well in terms of publicity here Kyo. Let's leave it at that.
 
Anyone can add albums to this site. Whether they remain is a decision to be taken by our collaborators.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2010 at 10:23
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Originally posted by Kyo Kyo wrote:

a very casual collective of indie artists
 
Says it all. I think you've done well in terms of publicity here Kyo. Let's leave it at that.
 
Anyone can add albums to this site. Whether they remain is a decision to be taken by our collaborators.
 
 

well AtomicCrimsonRush has already posted a bombin' review... so I take he votes yes?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2010 at 11:15

The placement of albums in Various Artists is not done a voting basis - the final say on whether an album remains is with the Admin Team.

The VA: Tributes section is for albums that are tributes to PA artists and would consist of tracks originally recorded by said artists. Since Michael has already kicked up a fuss over this thread being placed in "Prog Tribute Bands" then the album being placed in "VA: Tributes" is equally as incongruous. Quite what this album is, and where it should belong (if at all), is something we will have to think about. The presence of one PA listed artists and a couple of tracks that feature musicians who are in PA listed bands may not be enough for listing VA:Samplers or VA:Concept Albums either.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2010 at 12:06
Can't find the news, so i will spread the message of a free download. I have just started to listen, and it sounds promising. Hope you like it:
http://www.spaceprog.com
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2010 at 13:05
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The VA: Tributes section is for albums that are tributes to PA artists and would consist of tracks originally recorded by said artists. Since Michael has already kicked up a fuss over this thread being placed in "Prog Tribute Bands" then the album being placed in "VA: Tributes" is equally as incongruous.


I don't see it like that at all. It's definitely a tribute to a PA artist by various other artists, no doubt about that. Not sure where this idea that a tribute always has to be presented in the form of cover songs and nothing else came from. It's certainly not that way in jazz circles where people often pay tribute to their heroes by emulating certain musical approaches - regardless of who was the composer of a piece and very often including original compositions clearly influenced by the artist to whom the tribute is dedicated.

For example, there's the famous "Directions in Music" album by Herbie Hancock with Michael Brecker and Roy Hargrove. The subtitle for that one is "Celebrating Miles Davis and John Coltrane", and yet it features tunes written by Hargrove and Brecker as well as tunes that Miles Davis recorded but didn't write himself. In fact, of the eight tracks, just one half of a two-song medley was actually written by Davis.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2010 at 13:13
^ Those nuances, as valid as they are, don't count much here as PA has created the Tributes subcategory according to the generally accepted definition of the tribute album:

A tribute album is a recorded collection of cover versions of songs or instrumental compositions. Its concept may be either various artists making a tribute to a single artist, a single artist making a tribute to various artists, or a single artist making a tribute to another single artist. (Wiki)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2010 at 13:45
I like the simple term "cover albums" for those,  but that's probably too straightforward. I was already told that this board is infamous for its "is it prog? should it be added? and what genre is it, really?" discussions. Guess it's very important that no "false prog" gets past quality control. Big smile 

I am frequently amused by the importance placed on labels and categories. Our own album's style isn't really captured correctly by any single one of those and that seems to be true for a lot of music that I listen to these days. Really makes you wonder if these categories really matter. Anyway, don't let me disturb your discussion of where this 4-star compilation (as per AtomicCrimsonRush's rating) might fit.  LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2010 at 14:16
Originally posted by Blackbeard Blackbeard wrote:

Can't find the news, so i will spread the message of a free download. I have just started to listen, and it sounds promising. Hope you like it:
http://www.spaceprog.com
It was mentioned about four times in the OP, I'm surprised you missed it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2010 at 14:26
Originally posted by Kyo Kyo wrote:

I like the simple term "cover albums" for those,  but that's probably too straightforward. I was already told that this board is infamous for its "is it prog? should it be added? and what genre is it, really?" discussions. Guess it's very important that no "false prog" gets past quality control. Big smile 
What you like and what the rest of the world likes in terminology is fine by me. We here at PA like VA:Tributes to contain cover versions of the artist being tributed.
 
Anyway, it seems strange to complain about the additions policy once you are in, but hey-ho. Do carry on.
Originally posted by Kyo Kyo wrote:


I am frequently amused by the importance placed on labels and categories. Our own album's style isn't really captured correctly by any single one of those and that seems to be true for a lot of music that I listen to these days. Really makes you wonder if these categories really matter. Anyway, don't let me disturb your discussion of where this 4-star compilation (as per AtomicCrimsonRush's rating) might fit.  LOL
They don't matter at all, it is just one way of organising 5,887 artists and 30,720 albums in a way that makes site navigation a little easier in finding that one album you are looking for amid all those. I'm sure you would have been less than happy if we'd placed Relocator under Indo/Raga or RPI, so the time and effort spent in placing you in a more appropriate, though not exact, category was time moderately well spent I would imagine.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2010 at 14:53
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Anyway, it seems strange to complain about the additions policy once you are in, but hey-ho. Do carry on.

Does it? This is not the first time I've been involved in such discussions regarding an album that I had a hand in and it probably won't be the last. Just voicing my opinion. Who knows, maybe some things will change down the road because of something I said (or maybe I'm just rambling, but that's fine, too LOL).

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

They don't matter at all, it is just one way of organising 5,887 artists and 30,720 albums in a way that makes site navigation a little easier in finding that one album you are looking for amid all those.

It sure seems they matter to some people, seeing how many times I've seen some reviewer remark that album such-and-such really belongs in category XYZ. LOL

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I'm sure you would have been less than happy if we'd placed Relocator under Indo/Raga or RPI, so the time and effort spent in placing you in a more appropriate, though not exact, category was time moderately well spent I would imagine

Certainly! Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2010 at 14:56
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Blackbeard Blackbeard wrote:

Can't find the news, so i will spread the message of a free download. I have just started to listen, and it sounds promising. Hope you like it:
http://www.spaceprog.com
It was mentioned about four times in the OP, I'm surprised you missed it.

Maybe he's referring to the album information in your database, it doesn't mention the official source for this compilation anywhere.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2010 at 16:04
Originally posted by Kyo Kyo wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Blackbeard Blackbeard wrote:

Can't find the news, so i will spread the message of a free download. I have just started to listen, and it sounds promising. Hope you like it:
http://www.spaceprog.com
It was mentioned about four times in the OP, I'm surprised you missed it.

Maybe he's referring to the album information in your database, it doesn't mention the official source for this compilation anywhere.
That is something that I have discussed with other collabs, especially concerning free-releases. We do not, for example, list specialist stockists for purchaseable CDs, or mention that the CD is only avalable from the band website because the PA was set-up on the premis that all the discs listed were "generally available"  from "major stockists" so that all members could review them regardless of which country they lived in.
 
Free-releases are a new phenomina that needs some thought - at present distribution for most free-releases is single point and impermanent - maintainence of links to these in the main database is something we cannot manage on a voluntary basis, and we cannot manage it automatically. Of course these links could be placed in the "Releases information" section of the album entry, but it would not be maintained or updated should the link go dead or the mirror sites move.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2010 at 12:53
Since it's probably not a website you'll be revisiting too often once you have the mp3s, let me point
out that we have now added Anthony's "A few words from the producer" to www.spaceprog.com Smile



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2010 at 21:53
Hey guys! Nice conversation - as my name appeared about 3 times I thought I might buzz in. Nothing to say just buzzing in and out. Great free download though and enough prog artists to warrant inclusion.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2010 at 10:41
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^ It isn't your decision.


Wow, just. . . . wow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2010 at 11:12
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^ It isn't your decision.


Wow, just. . . . wow.

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Controlling Anger

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