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Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Originally posted by TheGazzardian TheGazzardian wrote:

Which album you talking about Torodd? 

Although I agree the list rarely reflects my personal taste.

All Over Everywhere - Inner Firmaments Decay.

Believe me, and I speak with 25 years experience, this is a minor genre generating album. The production and sound is something that needs to be heard to be believed. Take my word for that.  


I don't have to take your word, I have it, I just haven't listened to it. I'll make sure it's one of the next ones I go through Smile

Edit: changed my mind, listening to it now


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God exists,
Finally I found a whole interesting prog forum!:-)
I love Rovescio dela Medaglia and Balletto di Bronzo..
didn't hear about a new italian prog wave,
but recently on a chinese music channel I saw an awesome italian prog songwriter, The Niro.
I didn't find his cd in Beijing,
but most of his album Best Wishes has prog roots.
Love him!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UhoVVs03PI London Theatre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a30z0QrgOQ So Different










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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote seventhsojourn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2010 at 08:12
^ Thanks for that, hope you stick around the forum. Okay, will have a listen to The Niro.
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Well I suppose there's one more chair for me in this part of the forum. RPI is my "drug" for the last couple of years without of course forgetting all the other kinds I like. 
Even if I am still exploring the sound of all those one off bands, I prefer Le Orme from the great trio of PFM, Le orme and Banco. Museo Rosenbach, Quella Vecchia Locanda, Alphataurus and many more are on my playlist. Moreover I like their jazz orientated groups, namely Perigeo, Agora and Duello Madre and of course Area, with the Greek Demetrios Stratos on vocals.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2010 at 13:12
Welcome to the new guys, there's always plenty of chairs in this den.  Nice band list Jim, great stuff there.  Keep an eye here for new stuff and also Andrea's Italian prog blog.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Andrea Cortese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2010 at 14:19
Hi Jim and Panta Rei (all things flow... I suppose this is the english translation from greek).

This week end I had an intensive listening session with Il Tempio delle Clessidre... I'm moving to a full five stars rating... for the next review.... eheh e hh e

incredible melodies (especially in Danza esoterica di Datura), church organ, lush retro keys... probably not at the level of my aboslutely fave (LuxAde)... but the album is constantly increasing in me...
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On a general note:

What really impresses me with the RPI scene is both the new generation of bands whose albums are really impressive + the older bands who reforms just for the fun of it and then release some really excellent albums. There are some lessons to be learned here. Don't give up life before the grim reaper has arrived.      

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I think much has to do with motive.  In many of these RPI projects, old and new, the players are not there for financial reasons.  Often they have to spend money to bring their album to fruition.  They know the success is very modest if at all.  Unlike a large popular band who may regroup to make some money, I believe many of these Italian groups are doing it purely for the passion of music.  I hear that spark often as I listen.  And you don't hear that same compromise being made that you hear when you listen to someone looking for a more commercial success.

In many of the recent reunions of 70s RPI guys, you really can hear the passion and a humble gratitude that they are getting another chance to be heard.  It's very special.  They make the most of the opportunity, really trying to do something profound for the fans.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote seventhsojourn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2010 at 11:31
I tried getting those free Assenzio downloads. Of the eight tracks on the album, most were just 10-20 second sound clips. A couple were about four minutes in length, but no full tracks. Pity. Jim, I see from your review that you had been sounding out some of the re-release labels. Any luck there?  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toroddfuglesteg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2010 at 11:45

Hehe, Chris. History repeats itself as Lenin said.

On page 23 here, I wrote more or less the same before Andrea (Clap) stepped in with help.

Try http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Assenzio%22 and simply use the download of the click able MB link, on each track.   

The download works. 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote seventhsojourn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2010 at 12:07
Thanks torodd. Thumbs Up When I click the MB links it plays the tracks in Windows Media. So now I can at least listen, but there is no way to download... is that correct?
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Originally posted by seventhsojourn seventhsojourn wrote:

Thanks torodd. Thumbs Up When I click the MB links it plays the tracks in Windows Media. So now I can at least listen, but there is no way to download... is that correct?

Wrong.

Take your mouse (no, no, no !!!!!! not the Christmas present for your cat) and right-click on the for example 6.7 MB link. Choose "save to download folder" and click. Well, make sure you know where this folder is, a good guess is My Documents.  The file is now being downloaded there. Repeat it for all files and you have a nice winter warmer in your My Documents folder.  

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^ Gotcha! TongueThumbs Up
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Anybody here into MAD CRAYON like I am? I haven't heard a song by them I haven't absolutely loved. Where is the MAD CRAYON appreciation thread? Where is the love?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2010 at 17:18
That's an album I keep meaning to check out....but has not risen to the top of the list yet.  I believe a few of the thread regulars have it and enjoy it much!  
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i have two albums of theirs and they make regular contributions to Musea Records/Colossus compilation projects. "Predo" was one of my fave 5 albums of 2009.
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 Preda by MAD CRAYON album cover Studio Album, 2009
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Preda
Mad Crayon Rock Progressivo Italiano

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— First review of this album —
4 stars RPI and prog lovers in general: You're missing some GREAT music if you haven't heard Predo! These guys can play. Discovered through the HIGHLY RECOMMENDED Colossus Project "Kalevala: A Finnish Progressive Rock Epic" I have been blown away by the freshness and clarity of this music. Recorded so cleanly, using so many sounds in such unusual combinations, and constructed with such nuance and unpredictability it is a true listening adventure. (Put on the headphones!) Lots of piano and acoustic guitars, crisp drumming, and bass playing that is so alluring as to constantly draw my attention from the rest of the ensemblature. One very noticeable element of Predo's recording is the wonderful and brilliant use of space within the music; they don't fill every second for the sake of filling space; they let the sounds, chords, and melodies seep, percolate and fill your soul. And the singing is in Italian!  "Re Schiavo--Part 1" is, at times, somewhat on the rock edge, kind of like SAGA, yet other times the bass and piano inerplay reminds one of a jazz CHICK COREA jazz concert. The drum playing is very solid, if mixed a bit in the background. 7/10  "Preda--Part 1" starts with a TONY LEVIN-esque funk bass line before turning into an intermittently hard rocking, sometimes 'lounge' feeling, sometimes JEFF BECK-feeling piece. Also has a SYLVAN "Force of Gravity" feel to it. Definitely defies eras and music styles. Love the bass playing (PINO PALLADINO-ish?) 7/10  "Preda--Part 2" begins with some heavy guitar riffing and steamy organ soloing playing over the same jazzy bass playing and solid drumwork from "Part 1" before segueing into some soli from some pretty unusual synth and guitar sounds. The three minute mark reintroduces a kind of 'light metal' theme over BRUFORD-esqu snare, then suddenly a lounge jazz piano shows up to solo over this driving theme. A brief, strange and unpredictable lull with some treated vocals appears just before the song exits with its original driving pace. Interesting song, to say the least! 6/10  "Gabriel" enters with a softer feel, piano lead, and moves quickly into a complicated and tempo-rolling vocal section. Here is where this group's compositional use of space, pause, and sustain really show itself. Brilliant. To my mind, this shows great courage, confidence and maturity. My favorite instrument of this group, Daniele Vitalone's fretless bass gets a very cool fusion solo (EBERHARD WEBER?) at the 3:50 minute mark before the song surprises with a brief foray into high energy guitar chords and solo. The song decays beautifully with synth and piano outro. Wonderful song-writing filled with many catchy, though often all-too brief melodies. Like a train ride in the mountains: alternating lulls and breathtaking views. 8/10  "Xaonon" is the song that really got me hooked on this group. A real Neo-Prog bordering on eclectic classic. The only thing missing are the English vocals (I keep expecting the song to evolve into a MOONGARDEN classic like "Round Midnight"). Begins with one and a half minutes of very fresh electronica before the rhythm section joins in. Kind of like OZRIC TENTACLES plays TANGERINE DREAM. Then the 3:00 minute mark introduces some 'light metal' themes, sounding a lot like RIVERSIDE, before backing down to a kind of ARGENT-sounding organ-with-guitar and rhythm section. The changes in this song are so frequent, so unpredictable, and so delightful. These are some very disciplined musicians! 9/10  "Isola di Sara" is another gem/highlight beginning with a surprising 'Buddha Lounge' like feel before spiking off into various unusual and unpredictable sound and tempo directions. Very difficult to describe; you simply must discover it for yourself. The 2:05 marks notes the all-too-brief introduction of the song's immensely engaging and melodic 'chorus.' The band is so tight, the vocals so moving! 4:00 4:20 an entirely Latin flavored acoustic guitar-led section 5:15 a segue into a more rocking variation on the chorus theme before bridging back to the true chorus?which then evolves into a brief and beautiful piano solo before down- shifting into a kind of lounge end which is not the end at all but merely a transition to some HACKETT-esque volume pedal notes fading out over the bass's ad libbing. Wow! What a beautiful ride! 10/10  "Sovrano Dell'illusione--Part 1" begins with some ELP/PFM-ish piano before stopping to make space for the second beginning--a very GENESIS-like mellotron-washed section. But this section too yields, ends, to allow the introduction of a very PFM-like acoustically accompanied vocal section. Absolutely gorgeous music, melody, and singing! The EMERSON-piano returns at the 3:35 mark to provide the base for the return of the vocals. Stunning songwriting! As good as any PFM high points that I've ever heard. 5:05 marks the emergence of a beautiful synth sound soloing briefly before the music settles back to the vocal with piano/acoustic guitar outro. 10/10  "Sovrano Dell'illusione--Part 2" uses electric piano and echoing bass to provide its initial ominous jazzy feel. Again images of EBERHARD WEBER's works are conjured until the 2:40 marks the introduction of some skillful EDDIE VAN HALEN-sounding guitar chord playing bursts onto the scene. It disappears for a gap of a few seconds during which a few strange sentences are uttered, then comes back with a vengeance as synths and guitar soli emote themselves. 6:20 change: Mellotron and bass pedals! Then another odd shift into distorted electric guitar arpeggios over which the very strange vocals re-emerge until the music and vocals suddenly shift, mid-stream, to a very dreamy, melodic feel, back to guitar arpeggios which literally fadeout as a SATIE-like solo piano takes over. What an amazing rollercoaster ride! Mellotron! Weird background noises! The end! Wow! 9/10  The final song, "Re Schiavo--Part 2" begins with a piano reiteration of now-familiar themes--again very SATIE--esque. New themes are introduced at 1:00, 1:10, and 1:15 as the vocals commence. Multi-voiced chorus harmonies precede a beautiful section in which a TONY BANKS-like synth solo performs over acoustic guitars, fretless bass, and quiet batterie--leading to the final, brief vocal recitation and piano fadeout. Beautiful. 9/10  Seriously, folks: Check out this album! They need to be discovered and promoted. I bet their concerts would be amazing: Musically, kind of like the early Gabriel-era GENESIS shows without the theatrics. Four and a half stars (and growing!)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Todd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2010 at 18:28
BrufordFreak, Mad Crayon is a wonderful band!  Preda was an unexpected surprise for me in 2009--a full 10 years since their prior studio, who was expecting that?  I think it's my favorite of their three studios.  I'd heard them on the Musea compilations.  So I bought 1999's Diamanti at the Mellow sale, I think, and liked it enough to track down Ultimo Miraggio from 1995, which is out of print and difficult to find.  I don't like it as much as Diamanti, though it has its moments also.  But Preda I think is the best of the three.  You're right--yet another band that deserves more attention.  Thanks for the reminder!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nightfly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2010 at 05:59

I listened to Mad Crayon a year or 2 back and was impressed enough to put them on my to buy list. Unfortunately that list is so long when I get round to it is anyone's guess. A very worthwhile band though i remember.

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I interviewed Mad Crayon ? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68505 

I just used this excuse to update the interview with some more Youtube movies and better covers. 

Need to check out their albums then sometimes next year. I am as stuffed as a Christmas turkey when it comes to albums on my list. But all new RPI bands needs to be checked out as a matter of principle.

 

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