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Juan Carlos de Mulde 
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 Topic: The Voice Of Gabriel or Collins in Genesis Songs
Posted: December 10 2010 at 17:52 |
Hm I searched for a topic in this way and I couldn't find anything? I'm wondering why? Ok, the question is easy: Do you prefer the vocals of Phil Collins or Peter Gabriel in the old Genesis songs Peter Gabriel sung? I think the most answers in this forum were belong to Gabriel, but in my opinion Phil Collins is the better singer of both, thats why I started this topic. I mean I read an Peter Gabriel Interview in which he stated, that Collins sungs better versions of the old songs, but I'm not sure. If anybody knows more about it, please add links to interviews or sth. else.
Some part to establish my opinion ist, that Collins was singing, when he has to sing, and not drumming. Peter wanted to did more "art" in is appearance like costumes and using the flute or the bass drum for example. Maybe this is the reason why he overdubbbed the Lamb perfomance on the archive set from 1975. I don't know but... I like the old Collins vocals, because it is sometimes so intense and more phrased then Gabriel vocals, instead of Phil Collins vocals in his actual productions like the Motown Cover album. I think he started to prattle with his voice in the late 90ies in songs like "You'll Be In My Heart" and so on.
This is my list of songs, which are better sung by Collins live than Peter in the studio or available live performances (on the archive set for example)
The Cinema Show on Seconds Out Firth Of Fifth on Seconds Out especially Suppers Ready on Seconds Out (the best version in my opinion) (I don't like I Know What I Like as a song, so I don't post it here) In The Cage Medley on Three Sides Live (i think this is some of the best Collins vocals performances) The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway on The Way We Walk The Musical Box on The Way We Walk (mainly of the chorus voice effect) The Carpet Crawlers on Live Over Europe
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Posted: December 10 2010 at 18:07 |
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Gabriel was vocalizing during their most progressive phase and Phil took over admirably after his departure.
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Posted: December 10 2010 at 19:10 |
 Slartibartfast wrote:
Gabriel was vocalizing during their most progressive phase and Phil took over admirably after his departure. |
Ditto and then some.
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Posted: December 10 2010 at 19:14 |
Juan Carlos de Mulde wrote:
Hm I searched for a topic in this way and I couldn't find anything? I'm wondering why?
Ok, the question is easy: Do you prefer the vocals of Phil Collins or Peter Gabriel in the old Genesis songs Peter Gabriel sung?
I think the most answers in this forum were belong to Gabriel, but in my opinion Phil Collins is the better singer of both, thats why I started this topic.
I mean I read an Peter Gabriel Interview in which he stated, that Collins sungs better versions of the old songs, but I'm not sure. If anybody knows more about it, please add links to interviews or sth. else.
Some part to establish my opinion ist, that Collins was singing, when he has to sing, and not drumming. Peter wanted to did more "art" in is appearance like costumes and using the flute or the bass drum for example. Maybe this is the reason why he overdubbbed the Lamb perfomance on the archive set from 1975. I don't know but...
I like the old Collins vocals, because it is sometimes so intense and more phrased then Gabriel vocals, instead of Phil Collins vocals in his actual productions like the Motown Cover album. I think he started to prattle with his voice in the late 90ies in songs like "You'll Be In My Heart" and so on.
This is my list of songs, which are better sung by Collins live than Peter in the studio or available live performances (on the archive set for example)
The Cinema Show on Seconds Out
Firth Of Fifth on Seconds Out
especially Suppers Ready on Seconds Out (the best version in my opinion)
(I don't like I Know What I Like as a song, so I don't post it here)
In The Cage Medley on Three Sides Live (i think this is some of the best Collins vocals performances)
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway on The Way We Walk
The Musical Box on The Way We Walk (mainly of the chorus voice effect)
The Carpet Crawlers on Live Over Europe
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Yes, Second's Out certainly offers tons from PC over the originals. PC on Live Over Europe was surprisingly restrained, which IMO only improves the overall sound especially Carpet Crawlers. I do not like The Cage medley ( or any medley). I do like Gabriel's/Collins version of the Carpet Crawlers - 1999 for the Hits album
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Posted: December 10 2010 at 19:25 |
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I personally think Phil outsings Peter Gabriel by a longshot. I like his theatrics even more than Gabriel's, especially on Seconds Out! Phil is fabulous on Supper's Ready:)
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Posted: December 10 2010 at 19:41 |
I believe that the only Gabriel song that Collins sung better than Peter was I know what I Like.
The rest...Gabriel by light years.
Iván
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Posted: December 10 2010 at 21:27 |
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I think Seconds Out is one of the greatest live albums by any group---Steve sounds amazing and the PG songs are sung better by PC. This line-up should reform one last time---as Steve is playing better than ever live and brings so much to the table. (I can dream can't I?)
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Posted: December 10 2010 at 21:29 |
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Peter sings with his feelings and gives us incredible sensation and Phil is only singing well and right to the note. He still got some feeling but less then Gabriel.
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Posted: December 10 2010 at 21:38 |
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Phil Collins has a voice I find grinding and annoying
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Posted: December 10 2010 at 21:39 |
Actually, the first version of Supper's Ready that I ever heard was Phil's rendition on Seconds Out. So I've always had a soft spot for Phil singing the old tunes.
Overall, the edge goes to Gabriel of course. But I really do enjoy Phil's take on some of the older songs (especially Supper's Ready and Carpet Crawlers)
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Posted: December 10 2010 at 22:00 |
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I like Phil's modest, humble voice for the first 3 or 4 years when he took over for PG---but then his self-assured ego voice became so polished it became annoying. With the exception of Carpet Crawlers--- I think I prefer PG voice on the original Lamb better ---Steve's amazing guitar on the live stuff also contributes to making me love the Seconds Out stuff.
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Posted: December 10 2010 at 22:37 |
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I still haven't heard Seconds Out, which I really want to hear becaus I do like Collins singing much better than Gabriels... too bad that those performances with Collins on vocals don't have the flute.
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 03:28 |
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Gabriel by light years!
Collins is just a below average singer, very annoying one. Uh, his voice makes me feel sick ...
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 03:37 |
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Phil Collins for me.
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 04:11 |
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Peter's vocals have an extra dimension, although Phil did a really good job, especially on the first albums after Peter had left - and on Seconds Out.
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 05:47 |
From Gabriel era, I love Collins' voice on More Fool Me, and later on - "Like Father Like Son"
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 06:19 |
Phil Collins sings Supper's Ready fantastically and the Seconds Out version is probably the definitive one for me.
I am not as keen on his vocals on Firth of Fifth but he still does it well.
I think Phil's most creative vocalisation of a Gabriel song is the way he performs In The Cage which i think transforms the song to be much more frantic than the original lamb song, i probably prefer the lamb version but the Three Sides live version of In The Cage is just incredible
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 06:28 |
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It's good to see some (mainly0 positive comments about Collins for a change. Seconds Out was certainly a seminal live album, and Collins' performance on it is excellent.
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 07:13 |
PC sings very well on Seconds Out and the first post-PG-era albums. Definitely he could sing, maybe better than Gabriel from a technical viewpoint, but Gabriel had a much more personal voice and singing style and I undoubtedly prefer Gabriel, especially when the question refers to his era songs.
The question is somewhat unfair because we have heard PC singing PG songs but not the opposite (to my knowledge) so we can not tell for sure who of them is best at re-working the other's vocals.
Edited by Gerinski - December 11 2010 at 07:15
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Juan Carlos de Mulde
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 07:48 |
Dellinger wrote:
I still haven't heard Seconds Out, which I really want to hear becaus I do like Collins singing much better than Gabriels... too bad that those performances with Collins on vocals don't have the flute. |
Why not? With Web 2.0 it is so easy to check it out in youtube for example....
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