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Poll Question: What do you think about Bjork addition?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 21:04
Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:


Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Bjork's Medulla is a multi-layered experimental nearly all-vocal album with complex rhythms, harmony, thoughtful lyrics and virtuosic performances. It is one of the most progressive albums put out by a major artist in the last 10 years.
 

That's why she's here.
I'm not sure there's anything progressive at all about that album.Such vocal experimentation can be found all over the 90s, especially in avant/world music. I'm thinking of Iva Bittova, Mikhail Alperin, Dmitir Pokrovsky and probably countless others I don't know.It wouldn't surprise me if John Zorn has something similar as well.That being said I don't mind her being here.


I bought a VdGG album today when I could have gotten cool progressive vocal albums??? Dagbabbit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 20:55
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I don't know Lady Gaga's music well enough to know how much Bjork's art pop approach can be likened to Lady Gaga.  I would have thought her music more closely related to the likes of Laurie Anderson.  If Lady Gaga has released sufficiently similar albums to the ones that got Bjork included (say Medulla, but also I'd say Homogenic and Vespertine, I particularly like the live versions of those albums) then she can be considered. What are Lady Gaga's more experimental or art poppish albums? 

I really disagree about Bjork being plain old pop.  I think she's on the "avant pop" side, or at least art pop. And I find similarities to ones in Progressive Electronic and Krautrock in terms of employed techniques. You didn't answerme about which Bjork albums you have heard, by the way.

Xanatos, though Andy has expressed himself more intelligently. I suspect you'd agree with just about anything any detractor would say.  You also agreed with this, which is ridiculous and one might say rather sexist (why single out females?).

Originally posted by Xanatos Xanatos wrote:

Originally posted by Neue regel Neue regel wrote:

Disastrous add. Move her out

or else add Madonna, Christina Aguilera or every attention seeking eccentric female.

+1


Let's add Paris Hilton then. By the way, there are quite a few attention seekers amongst performers.

It would be helpful if more people would list which albums they are basing their opinions on (unless most of the people who have an opinion have heard most of her discography).
Actually i love Paris hilton

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 20:41
I don't think Bjork is Prog, but I still think has merits for PA's so-called "prog" umbrella. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 20:38
I am about to listen to Medulla, after which I will be able to form an opinion on whether Bjork is prog or not.  However, regardless of that, there does seem to be a reluctance here or in rock circles in general to acknowledge high profile mainstream female artists, as if they got there only for their looks and have no musical merit. When she was added to PA, Tori Amos was compared by a member to Sheryl Crow or Shaina Twain, don't remember which one. Ridiculous!  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 20:32
I don't know Lady Gaga's music well enough to know how much Bjork's art pop approach can be likened to Lady Gaga.  I would have thought her music more closely related to the likes of Laurie Anderson.  If Lady Gaga has released sufficiently similar albums to the ones that got Bjork included (say Medulla, but also I'd say Homogenic and Vespertine, I particularly like the live versions of those albums) then she can be considered. What are Lady Gaga's more experimental or art poppish albums? 

I really disagree about Bjork being plain old pop.  I think she's on the "avant pop" side, or at least art pop. And I find similarities to ones in Progressive Electronic and Krautrock in terms of employed techniques. You didn't answerme about which Bjork albums you have heard, by the way.

Xanatos, though Andy has expressed himself more intelligently. I suspect you'd agree with just about anything any detractor would say.  You also agreed with this, which is ridiculous and one might say rather sexist (why single out females?).

Originally posted by Xanatos Xanatos wrote:

Originally posted by Neue regel Neue regel wrote:

Disastrous add. Move her out

or else add Madonna, Christina Aguilera or every attention seeking eccentric female.

+1


Let's add Paris Hilton then. By the way, there are quite a few attention seekers amongst performers.

It would be helpful if more people would list which albums they are basing their opinions on (unless most of the people who have an opinion have heard most of her discography).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 20:23
I am Completely agree with andy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 20:17
IMO, she is the Icelandic Lady Gaga (or Lady Gaga is the American Bjork?) Eccentric outfits, ridiculous pop (with some oddball crossovers), and a large following (well to the scale of Iceland). I'll give her an avant-garde tag, but her music is based more in pop than anything else. People might try to pull a "jazz" or "folk" influence, which is there, but not nearly as much as the pop. So no, I don't like this addition. No, I don't think it's "the worst possible thing that possibly could have happened to PA in the history of PA," but it's not good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 20:04
More ridiculous comparisons.  What Bjork albums have you actually heard?

If this continues down the path of utter inanity, I would like to close this topic.

Of course I'd be happy to see this kept open if there is intelligent discussion.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 19:56
She's pop. Just plain old pop. If she is accepted, why don't we accept Lady Gaga? I mean that would be logical, right?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 19:43
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 19:04
Originally posted by Neue regel Neue regel wrote:

Disastrous add. Move her out

or else add Madonna, Christina Aguilera or every attention seeking eccentric female.

Yes, Madonna's and Christina Aguilera's music is very much alike Bjork's. Ermm
 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 18:46
Originally posted by Neue regel Neue regel wrote:

Disastrous add. Move her out

or else add Madonna, Christina Aguilera or every attention seeking eccentric female.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 16:38

Disastrous add. Move her out

or else add Madonna, Christina Aguilera or every attention seeking eccentric female.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 14:44
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:

What? Iva Bittova's here? What? why? where? When? Tongue
Wink

And Diamanda Galas got moved from Prog Related to Avant Prog a while back and the World did not end. Big smile

Diamanda would be finally moved to Hell, where she belongs to!Evil Smile



She's not poppy enough for your taste?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 14:28
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:


What? Iva Bittova's here? What? why? where? When? Tongue


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And Diamanda Galas got moved from Prog Related to Avant Prog a while back and the World did not end. Big smile
Diamanda would be finally moved to Hell, where she belongs to!Evil Smile

Edited by Gandalff - December 08 2010 at 14:29
A Elbereth Gilthoniel
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o menel aglar elenath!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 14:26
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:


What? Iva Bittova's here? What? why? where? When? Tongue


Wink
And Diamanda Galas got moved from Prog Related to Avant Prog a while back and the World did not end. Big smile


Yeah, I thought I shouldn't mention these "subterranean" aspects. Apparently nobody told the Avant-prog team, though Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 14:12
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:


What? Iva Bittova's here? What? why? where? When? Tongue


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And Diamanda Galas got moved from Prog Related to Avant Prog a while back and the World did not end. Big smile
What?
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Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:


What? Iva Bittova's here? What? why? where? When? Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 14:09
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

I´m fully supporting Björk´s addition to Prog Archives. Although I cannot agree with some recent controversial additions.  For me  Björk is progressive despite of many opposite opinions!
 
Well, good luck, Crazy Queen of Iceland!


What?! No "AngryAngry"s? Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 13:54
I´m fully supporting Björk´s addition to Prog Archives. Although I cannot agree with some recent controversial additions.  For me  Björk is progressive despite of many opposite opinions!
 
Well, good luck, Crazy Queen of Iceland!


Edited by Gandalff - December 08 2010 at 13:56
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