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    Posted: December 08 2010 at 01:06
So I'm thinking about making a fretless guitar.  I'm planning on doing what I did the one and only other time I've made a guitar and make it with almost all Carvin parts.  However I'm going to have to de-fret the neck.  The purpose of this topic is to see if anybody sees any flaws in this...because I've been looking around and just wondering why fretless guitars hardly exist?  I haven't put much thought into it yet, but I'm assuming the neck process would just be removing the frets and filling it with some kind of wood filler?

1.  Yes I know personal made fretless guitars do exist on the internet.
2. Don't ask me why I would want a fretless guitar...why wouldn't I?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 05:04
Channeling Jaco, eh?  You know he made his own fretless bass...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 06:53
I guess it should be possible to remove the frets and fill them in, but how the hell would you play chords on a fretless guitar and what would they sound like? Or are you just going to use it for solos?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 07:32
AFAIK, In the G3 Live In Denver DVD, Vai used a triple neck guitar. The bottom neck was fretless. I think he only used it for slide work...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 09:31
I have a friend/lead guitarist who de-fretted an old squire he has, then filled the grooves with wood filler, sanded it all smooth and re-finished it.  It turned out quite nice, and as he used filler of a different colour than the rosewood fretboard, you can still see where the frets were

he also covered it in smiley-face stickers and added a killswitch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 09:33
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I guess it should be possible to remove the frets and fill them in, but how the hell would you play chords on a fretless guitar and what would they sound like? Or are you just going to use it for solos?

You can play chords on it, but then you'd need bitchen intonation for that. Or you can do vibratos all the time to disguise it. 

LOL

To the OP: Do it. Fretless guitars sound really nice if you slap some heavy flatwound strings on it, detune it a whole step and play it like a classical guitarist would do (fingerstyle).

Don't forget to protect the fingerboard somehow; I suggest various epoxy or polyurethane coatings to avoid string wear.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 11:16
Chords are possible, just going to be very difficult.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 14:29
Originally posted by NecronCommander NecronCommander wrote:

Chords are possible, just going to be very difficult.




That's really not a very good video when it comes to representing what a fretless guitar can do.

Here's a couple of decent ones.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PyOZhgQnvU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3pewohhs3g&feature=related
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRBwK8J-5Tw&feature=related

However, I'm yet to found a video where someone plays deep, sustained, chugging metal riff and then slide it up the neck. I'm curious to know how it will sound.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 15:47
Originally posted by himtroy himtroy wrote:

So I'm thinking about making a fretless guitar.  I'm planning on doing what I did the one and only other time I've made a guitar and make it with almost all Carvin parts.  However I'm going to have to de-fret the neck.  The purpose of this topic is to see if anybody sees any flaws in this...because I've been looking around and just wondering why fretless guitars hardly exist?  I haven't put much thought into it yet, but I'm assuming the neck process would just be removing the frets and filling it with some kind of wood filler?

1.  Yes I know personal made fretless guitars do exist on the internet.
2. Don't ask me why I would want a fretless guitar...why wouldn't I?



If you don't have a religious fixation on Carvin parts, you could check out Allparts. They have at least one fretless guitar neck in their catalog: http://www.allparts.com/Plain-Unfinished-Rosewood-Stratocaster-Neck-p/sro-inl.htm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 16:15
People are playing guitars without frets?!?!  Shocked

It's a miracle!  Approve



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 19:42
lol, guitarrists need frets to play their instrument.

Buch of n00bs. TongueLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 22:52
Yeah I've played with my friends fretless bass a lot and we just always think....fretless guitar.  Yeah chords would be difficult, but once I got used to it I'd definitely be able to.  And to whoever said classical styled guitar, I''m already like that.  I haven't used a pick for quite a while and I have a classical guitar background.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2010 at 17:14
I've changed my mind slightly.  Stewart Mcdonald Guitar Parts (stewmac.com I believe)  has more options for the kit.  Also they have unfinished necks, so I'm going to make it the scale for a 24 fret, but really it will be fretless.  (A better fretless since I won't have to remove them and fill it in)  Also this way I can make it a hollow body, which I'd prefer.  This site opens up way more options

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2010 at 05:38
Good luck. Fretless all the way! (I have 4 basses, of which three are fretless)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2010 at 08:09
Originally posted by himtroy himtroy wrote:

I've changed my mind slightly.  Stewart Mcdonald Guitar Parts (stewmac.com I believe)  has more options for the kit.  Also they have unfinished necks, so I'm going to make it the scale for a 24 fret, but really it will be fretless.  (A better fretless since I won't have to remove them and fill it in)  Also this way I can make it a hollow body, which I'd prefer.  This site opens up way more options


While you're at it, get some gunstock oil and use it to finish the back of the neck. 

If you want to learn more stuff, there's quite a bit of info at talkbass.com. I know it's a bass website, but there's a f***ton of useful information that applies to every ocidental stringed instrument out there in the Luthier section.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2010 at 07:15
Thanks for the Ron Thal tip. The musician I'm aware of promoting the fretless guitar is Scott McGill - check out his last couple of releases
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2010 at 11:40
I have a fretless piano, sounds sweet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2011 at 14:49
This project changed massively.  I ended up buying predominantly Warmoth parts (had them personally make the fretless neck), with some outside hardware as well.  I'm also either putting a Sustaniac pickup or Fernandes Sustainers in it.  For those who don't know what those are, they cause the string to vibrate giving you infinite sustain,  while alternate settings give you infinite sustain with different harmonic settings.  However I can't find a good audio sample of what these sound like when clean.  Every damn person online who demonstrates them has absurd amounts of cheesy sounding distortion on making it impossible to tell what they actually sound like.  


Edited by himtroy - March 29 2011 at 19:06
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