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Dean 
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 Posted: November 25 2010 at 12:45 |
 snobb wrote:
Even looking formally Muse is tagged as prog-related on PA (what means NOT PROG), Radiohead are slightly different case, formally tagged as Crossover Prog (what in case of very inclusive PA Crossover term means often almost the same).
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Formal placements are subjective assessments based upon a snapshot in time - this subjectivity is further emphasised because they were added by different teams at different times so there is no "formal" comparison between them impled or infered in the subgenres they have been placed in.
Porcupine Tree began in Psyche/Space based upon their first three albums, then were moved into Heavy (mainly because of Absentia/Deadwing/Blank Planet). Radiohead were added into the PA as Art Rock before the formation of the Crossover category - at that time there was no claim of inclusivity or ambiguity implied in their addition and additions made prior to the split cannot be judged by latter additions after the split.
If we were to evaluate all three artists based solely upon their last albums (The Incident, The Resistance and In Rainbows) then their "prog" hierarchy would be reordered - quite how far that goes is (again) subjective and how much each album is "prog" is pure conjecture since there are no empirical rules that can be applied to quaitify "progness" in any pragmatic way. Using some arbitary "standard" of Prog could place the order as Exogenesis --------- > Weird Fishes ------> Time Flies.
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chrijom
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 13:17 |
Gandalff wrote:
Porcupine Tree is only one Prog band here. |
I was just about to write something similar but then noticed that Gandalff already had done the business. 
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adace1
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 13:45 |
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Does it matter who's actually prog and who's not? The genre doesn't matter here. Only the music. As long as it's a band listed on this site, it's fair game.
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lazland
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 14:28 |
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Radiohead - the only truly revolutionary band on the list.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 14:43 |
Though not a big fan of either, two months ago I was listening to a lot of Porcupine Tree, a great band, they're even in my Top 3 Last.fm charts! lol!
Muse I really don't like, while Radiohead has Kid A and Amnesiac as great albums for me but I'm not often in the mood for them.
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chrijom
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 15:07 |
adace1 wrote:
Does it matter who's actually prog and who's not? The genre doesn't matter here. Only the music. As long as it's a band listed on this site, it's fair game.
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You asked us to discuss, we're discussing.
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adace1
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 15:18 |
chrijom wrote:
adace1 wrote:
Does it matter who's actually prog and who's not? The genre doesn't matter here. Only the music. As long as it's a band listed on this site, it's fair game.
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You asked us to discuss, we're discussing. |
I know. I'm just participating in the discussion myself. My opinion doesn't matter any more than anyone else's.
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chrijom
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 15:22 |
Neither does mine - it's just that I always think I'm right. 
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rogerthat
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 19:39 |
Gandalff wrote:
Porcupine Tree is only one Prog band here. |
And what's not prog about Paranoid Android? I haven't heard all the stuff Wilson released before he became this 'prog saviour' but that song is as progressive (if not more than) as anything he has released on the albums from Lightbulb Sun onwards, which is mostly extended alt rock/metal songs anyway.
Edited by rogerthat - November 25 2010 at 19:39
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Lark the Starless
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 21:36 |
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Anthony H.
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 21:53 |
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PT by a thousand percent.
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Gandalff
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Posted: November 26 2010 at 02:41 |
adace1 wrote:
Does it matter who's actually prog and who's not? The genre doesn't matter here. Only the music. As long as it's a band listed on this site, it's fair game. |
I think it´s important if we´re just on Prog Rock site. But I comprehend your reasons and respect it.
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The Sleepwalker
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Posted: November 26 2010 at 02:48 |
rogerthat wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Porcupine Tree is only one Prog band here. |
And what's not prog about Paranoid Android? I haven't heard all the stuff Wilson released before he became this 'prog saviour' but that song is as progressive (if not more than) as anything he has released on the albums from Lightbulb Sun onwards, which is mostly extended alt rock/metal songs anyway.
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I agree about Paranoid Android being a prog song, but one song does not make them a prog band. Most of their music is great and unique, but prog? nah.
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digdug
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Posted: November 26 2010 at 11:10 |
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Prog On!
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Anirml
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Posted: November 26 2010 at 11:13 |
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Radiohead
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Anirml
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Posted: November 26 2010 at 11:15 |
The Sleepwalker wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Porcupine Tree is only one Prog band here. |
And what's not prog about Paranoid Android? I haven't heard all the stuff Wilson released before he became this 'prog saviour' but that song is as progressive (if not more than) as anything he has released on the albums from Lightbulb Sun onwards, which is mostly extended alt rock/metal songs anyway.
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I agree about Paranoid Android being a prog song, but one song does not make them a prog band. Most of their music is great and unique, but prog? nah. |
They shouldn't be on this forum, They are not prog at all.
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chrijom
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Posted: November 26 2010 at 11:37 |
Anirml wrote:
The Sleepwalker wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Porcupine Tree is only one Prog band here. |
And what's not prog about Paranoid Android? I haven't heard all the stuff Wilson released before he became this 'prog saviour' but that song is as progressive (if not more than) as anything he has released on the albums from Lightbulb Sun onwards, which is mostly extended alt rock/metal songs anyway.
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I agree about Paranoid Android being a prog song, but one song does not make them a prog band. Most of their music is great and unique, but prog? nah. |
They shouldn't be on this forum, They are not prog at all.
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I have to agree with that - 
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StrangerByTheMinute
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Posted: November 26 2010 at 13:07 |
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The progressive one.
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richardh
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Posted: November 26 2010 at 16:25 |
StrangerByTheMinute wrote:
The progressive one. |
..which is probably Radiohead
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chrijom
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Posted: November 26 2010 at 17:37 |
richardh wrote:
StrangerByTheMinute wrote:
The progressive one. |
..which is probably Radiohead |
'fraid not. 
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