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octopus-4
Special Collaborator RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14122 |
Posted: November 19 2010 at 06:07 | ||||
For me she's not prog, but basing on your thoughts shouldn't she fit into Xover?
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snobb
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 20 2009 Location: Vilnius,LT,EU Status: Offline Points: 3578 |
Posted: November 19 2010 at 06:09 | ||||
^ X-over is prog. If you think she isn't, but has some realtion with it, possibly better idea would be prog-related?
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octopus-4
Special Collaborator RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14122 |
Posted: November 19 2010 at 06:11 | ||||
My comment was about any artist that's recognized "prog" but doesn't fit in any subgenre, regardless what Bjork is. It took a lot of time to have Quintorigo added because of the same reason. At the end they went into RIO/Avant.
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snobb
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 20 2009 Location: Vilnius,LT,EU Status: Offline Points: 3578 |
Posted: November 19 2010 at 06:15 | ||||
^ Yes,I know, I voted for that addition as well
To be honest, IMO they could fit x-over as well, they are somewhere in between, but it was the time just to make any decision Situation with Bjork was a bit different: she was on waiting list very long, but the question was if she should be presented on PA at all |
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The_Jester
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 29 2010 Status: Offline Points: 741 |
Posted: November 19 2010 at 16:22 | ||||
Again, you have joined only two months ago, so most surely you haven't read the multiple times I gave arguments about why she shouldn't be added in past threads.
Ok... But still, the people that I'm talking about are the people who voted for her and that used arguments for her. I don't quite have arguments because, even if listen to a lot of prog, it's been two months since I've been here and I made some errors but to me, Bjork sounds like prog.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: November 20 2010 at 00:34 | ||||
OK, I posted this three years ago in reply to another member:
This was a reply to a member called Passionist, who apparently got convinced with other replies.
In that I agree with him, she has merit, but merit, good or great doesn't mean Prog or Prog Related Iván
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Passionist
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 14 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 1119 |
Posted: November 20 2010 at 11:16 | ||||
Yeah well, in a sense you convinced me not to go on arguing since it's like beating a dead horse. Plus my argumentation would never get her a position here. I'd rather have a poll like this than have a meaningless online debate. So I usually give up That being said, I do still feel the way I did in the last quote you posted, which is good enough for me. I can listen to her without her being on the forums. It's basically about what people think she deserves as an artist, and that's about it. I think she deserves to be positioned here, and apparently so do 13 more people |
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Angelo
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
Posted: November 20 2010 at 11:43 | ||||
Maybe it's good to expose a hidden treat in Iván's message, despite you already got it - others may benefit from it:
Prog is short for Progressive Rock. None of the albums listed by Iván can be classified as a rock album. Even if Bjork i progressive in pop terms, she can never be considered a progressive rock artist... based on these albums. Edited by Angelo - November 20 2010 at 11:44 |
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Moogtron III
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: November 20 2010 at 16:26 | ||||
Whoa, you listened to all of the albums, I'm impressed
I think the whole discussion focuses on one point: what is prog? Is it innovating music, which is for some people the reason to want to include Björk on the forum, or is it a musical style, where even retrogressive music can be progressive music, because it fits within the style? If you think it's the latter, Björk can't be considered prog, because she takes dance music in different forms as a basis. I do suppose it's the latter, because otherwise the logical step would have to delete whole sections of, for instance, neo prog from the site, because it the innovating factor isn't very high.
Bottom line: I wouldn't defend the case for Björk being progressive. I must add, though, that within the framework of dance music in its several forms, Björk really pushed some boundaries, and I wouldn't call an album like Homogenic more of the same, for instance. The move to take simple, raw rhythms and add a string octet is an innovating move to me. On top of that, Björk sounds different on each following album, and even when not all the albums don't work out as well as one would hope, I admire her enormous sense of musical adventure, even though she has her limitations.
Björk is no prog, but for me one of the most daring artists of the last twenty-something years nevertheless.
Edited by Moogtron III - November 20 2010 at 16:28 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: November 20 2010 at 23:28 | ||||
No not all, as you can read I never listened "Army of Me" I refuse to pay a dime or accept for free an album consisting of 20 different versions (By DJ's) of the same song, as I refused to buy Re-Works by ELP with 15 versions of Fanfare for the Common Man
Face it, many people want to add the ands they like, I read suggestions for Boston, The Bee Gees, Cat Stevens, ABBA, Meat Loaf, etc. I have a theory that some Progheads don't want to say they listen mainstream, and for that reason they want to turn any band they love into Prog by art of magic, as is being Prog was synonym of being good.
Yes, she pushed some boundaries, so did REM, U2 (At the beginning), even Eurythimics and of course the duet Meat Loaf & Jim Steinmann, but the weren't doing Prog, as wasn't Bjork
Fully agree. Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 20 2010 at 23:30 |
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Chris S
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 09 2004 Location: Front Range Status: Offline Points: 7028 |
Posted: November 21 2010 at 13:17 | ||||
Bjork is one of those artists that defies categorization from a solo perspective. Her music quickley morphed from the avant art pop style of The Sugarcubes with her solo career initially spearheading her first fully fledged album Debut into a trip hop dance/eclectic mix.” Aeroplane” and “ The Anchor Song” showing hints at her more art/crossover material to come yet this album while setting the tone for future work probably her most commercial and least art/prog sounding as her collective output. Post another commercial success but here is where the electronic/pop/crossover feel begins to take hold.” Hyper Ballad” and “ Isobel the stand out tracks where one can see her more artistic, experimental direction. 1997's Homogenic easily her first fully fledged crossover/electronic album. Allmusic describing this release as ..” seamless fusion of chilly strings (courtesy of the Icelandic String Octet), stuttering, abstract beats, and unique touches like accordion and glass harmonica, Homogenic alternates between dark, uncompromising songs such as the icy opener, "Hunter," and more soothing fare like the gently percolating "All Neon Like." by far her most emotionally charged album to date and lyrically mature. 2001's Vespertine helped solidify her progressive pop and art/ambient music even further with more emtionally charged music, even minimalist.. Electronic themes overlayed with harp, orchestral strings and choirs. Definitely her most mature album to date and accomplished. “ Hidden Place” “Pagan Poetry” and “ An Echo A Stain” album highlights but the whole work stands up on it's own merits. Which brings 2004's Medulla into the mix, progressive dark pop continued..... collaborating with an array of backing vocalists, Robert Wyatt to name but one but overall easily her most abstract work to date. In fact this album makes fellow Icelandics Sigur Ros appear almost prog lite at times, granted they are in post rock/math and another genre but those overlapping genre tagging neat little ' boxes' are impossible to compartmentalize. I am not familiar with her latest work but in summary Homogenic, Vespertine and Medulla all help qualify this artist as crossover prog. Would Electronic or Eclectic be good fits too? Perhaps but that crossing of genre territory is unavoidable. Especially when assessing prog today as opposed to a “1970 time capsule” definition tool. Someone asked does the artist know about crossover prog and how would she feel being labelled as such? She would not care and it has not stopped us in PA assessing and categorizing nearly 6000 bands to date |
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The_Jester
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 29 2010 Status: Offline Points: 741 |
Posted: November 27 2010 at 11:52 | ||||
We still have pop prog in here. There is artists on prog archives wich have no rock in their music at all.
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FunkyM
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 12 2010 Location: Funkytown Status: Offline Points: 134 |
Posted: December 01 2010 at 13:21 | ||||
Looks like she's been added, which is good timing because after reading this thread last weekend I picked up a copy of Medulla from the used bin at CD Warehouse. It's not bad.
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octopus-4
Special Collaborator RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14122 |
Posted: December 01 2010 at 14:10 | ||||
Wow, after being rejected so many times... hey guys What about another thread for electric Prunes?
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Man With Hat
Collaborator Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166178 |
Posted: December 01 2010 at 14:24 | ||||
I don't understand how someone can be accepted after being rejected in the past based on the same albums.
We really do need a do not add list on this site.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: December 01 2010 at 15:36 | ||||
I believe a band suggested and rejected, shouldn't be suggested again unless they release a new album. In the worst case a three strikes rule! Iván
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Chris S
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 15:56 | ||||
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 19:00 | ||||
just add nine "j"s |
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The_Jester
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 29 2010 Status: Offline Points: 741 |
Posted: December 01 2010 at 19:35 | ||||
Good news, good news... |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 20:56 | ||||
Yeah, it's about time we had a Muppet on this site, oh Bjork, never mind. |
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