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Points: 1119 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2010 at 11:23
Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

OK, YES vote from me. Anyone from you people willing to make good biography for her ?

(I'm looking at you Passionist :-D )

I thought I saw something lurking under my bed O_O

SHOULD she be added, I'd be happy to write a biography if you make me a collaborator :D


Just kidding really (funny joke concerning the posts above. No, you got it wrong, I really am funny, though no more than a member still:(... ). Hell, I've got a whole book about her. At least I'd have the motivation to read the book finally!
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OK then. I suppose that she will be agreed upon by powers mightier than me.

Because she's quite controversial artist and some members can be angry because positive result, so we should be careful.

There's a chance that she won't be accepted to Crossover, but rather to Prog-Related. Either ways, she will need biography. But you're right, let's wait for outcome of discussion currently going on in Collaborators Zone about her.

You can prepare some points for her bio in your head :-)
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Other are the artists whose inclusion can make me angry. Personally I disagree with Bjork but she's not a scandal. I don't know what Tori Amos, Japan or Talking Heads are doing on PA instead.
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I don't know Japan, don't like Tori Amos and I love Talking Heads, but I can agree, that they're not really ones I'd expect to find here, at least Talking Heads, unless deliberate simplicity is prog :D
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Originally posted by Passionist Passionist wrote:

I don't know Japan, don't like Tori Amos and I love Talking Heads, but I can agree, that they're not really ones I'd expect to find here, at least Talking Heads, unless deliberate simplicity is prog :D

I don't know Japan, I love Amos and Head and think they belong here.  I don't know Bjork well enough to take any position. LOL
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Japan are 80s British electronic new-wave. The only remarkable thing they have is David Sylvian in the lineup.
Idea for a new thread; Artists that shouldn't be here....

However this is the difference between bigs and second lines: nobody will discuss Genesis, Crimson or Pink Floyd.

I support the idea of a new section, 
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Weird..Yes

Experimental...Yes experimental Pop

Prog...Not even remotely related IMHO.

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Well, even if you don't like her, I suppose that a lot of people find her progressive just as the Residents or Supertramp are progressive. And it's not popier than Tori Amos.
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Originally posted by The_Jester The_Jester wrote:

Well, even if you don't like her, I suppose that a lot of people find her progressive just as the Residents or Supertramp are progressive. And it's not popier than Tori Amos.

You have joined two months ago, so you probably don't know that a band is not admitted because one or more persons believe it's more Progressive than another band already here.

The "If X is here then Y should be admitted" is a flawed argument that counts nothing.

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And what are you're arguments against her?
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Points: 19535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2010 at 20:18
Originally posted by The_Jester The_Jester wrote:

And what are you're arguments against her?

Again, you have joined only two months ago, so most surely you haven't read the multiple times I gave arguments about why she shouldn't be added in past threads.

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As a fact in this thread  I wrote several posts even with album by album arguments, so I don't feel it's necessary to repeat them each time she is suggested.

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Each subgenre has a definition and the suggested artist must completely  match at list one subgenre. There's a group of person for each subgenre that evaluates the suggestions and says yes or no,

That's more or less how it works.

brw I wouldn't have included Supertramp, too.
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Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

i hate Bjork, the scourge of the universe
 
nothing she does appeals in any sense
 
she is not prog rather more like screeching cat
 
i would rather listen to The Cure, and I hate them a lot!
 
so dont ask me... I would not want her in prog as shes more like alternative if anything
 
she is like Yoko Ono in many ways and she is not prog either 
Dead, non starter there for sure. Bjork is sensational and a credit to prog, regardless of whether she cares the genre existsApprove
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Other are the artists whose inclusion can make me angry. Personally I disagree with Bjork but she's not a scandal. I don't know what Tori Amos, Japan or Talking Heads are doing on PA instead.
Well Admin approved Talking Heads..................for prog related, so we are all accountable to what is deemed influential prog or prog. Noone involved in this site's evaluations are infallible :-)
We need to respect the decisions whether we vehemently agree or not. We are all discussing Amos, Bjork, Japan, David Sylvian, Supertramp etc.
 
What about  J21, Eberhard Weber, Ralf Towner, Ceiling Unlimited.....no-one gives a general iota about them cos many don't even know them....ECM artists alone are questionable.
 
All good healthy evolution though from stone age paradigm shifts to proactive site progressionApprove
 
Bjork deserves consideration hence the discussions and the polls are pretty good too. 30 votes out of 6 billion people....not bad fallout...
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Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Other are the artists whose inclusion can make me angry. Personally I disagree with Bjork but she's not a scandal. I don't know what Tori Amos, Japan or Talking Heads are doing on PA instead.
Well Admin approved Talking Heads..................for prog related, so we are all accountable to what is deemed influential prog or prog. Noone involved in this site's evaluations are infallible :-)
We need to respect the decisions whether we vehemently agree or not. We are all discussing Amos, Bjork, Japan, David Sylvian, Supertramp etc.
 
What about  J21, Eberhard Weber, Ralf Towner, Ceiling Unlimited.....no-one gives a general iota about them cos many don't even know them....ECM artists alone are questionable.
 
All good healthy evolution though from stone age paradigm shifts to proactive site progressionApprove
 
Bjork deserves consideration hence the discussions and the polls are pretty good too. 30 votes out of 6 billion people....not bad fallout...
I'm just giving my opinion, I don't mean to criticize. For each Japan on PA there's a good number of Far East Family Bands (just to joke with the band's name). Also Japan had David Sylvian.

What I really mean is that as well as having ben a fundamental component of Genesis or Renaissance doesn't guarantee Phil Collins or Annie Haslam to be included, the same is valid for a band in which David Sylvian played.

I don't know any of the names that you have mentioned, but in general I trust on ECM. I think we discussed about it in the thread about Jan Garbarek's inclusion.

To be honest, the only time when the admin's decision seemed really wrong to me was when Electric Prunes were rejected, but it didn't made me upset, of course. 
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We shouldn't forget that experimental doesn't necessarily equal progressive.
In Bjorks case I would say:

Experimental = Y
Progressive = N
Unlistenable = Y
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Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

We shouldn't forget that experimental doesn't necessarily equal progressive.
In Bjorks case I would say:

Experimental = Y
Progressive = N
Unlistenable = Y

Nice matrix but in the end the last line is the only one that matters. 
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Points: 3578 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2010 at 02:57
Don't think Bjork is unlistenable, it's more question of taste. Not sure if she's prog or not, but in all cases she's more progressive than many pop artists around.
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Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

We shouldn't forget that experimental doesn't necessarily equal progressive.
In Bjorks case I would say:

Experimental = Y
Progressive = N
Unlistenable = Y
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Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

Bjork is experimental and progressive, but her style is definitely not symphonic prog, krautrock, RIO, or any prog sub-genre that's covered here.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly.
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