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thellama73
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8368 |
Posted: November 17 2010 at 23:18 | ||||
It seems that way. |
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 07:38 | ||||
I think the reason is twofold. One as llama said as a practical deterrent. One because law enforcement officers are petty and like to humiliate those who do not subject instantly to their will. I like your argument, but merely being a part of one's nature is not to say that the activity is correct. I would agree that no punishment should be given. I think instead the intent should be to recoup the losses financially which enforcement incurred to chase and apprehend the suspect. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 07:55 | ||||
What crime are you committing? Who is harmed by you allowing Joe Criminal to stay in your house? If the man hasn't even been convicted of a crime yet then it is especially dubious if we're really going to believe in guilty until proven innocent. I think the notion that it should be a crime rests on these ideas we which attempts to equate the state's notion of justice with true justice. |
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 08:15 | ||||
YOU NEED ME |
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 11:07 | ||||
Ron Paul introduced HR 6416, in case anyone still bothers contacting their Representatives about things.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 16913 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 11:56 | ||||
Agree.
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 12:43 | ||||
You are big brother??
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 12:46 | ||||
I got to know Ron Paul when he appeared a couple of times in (of all places) Bill Maher's show, a few years ago. I actually liked him. Though I saw him, politically, as too frail in this world of cannibals.
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 16:09 | ||||
Ron Paul's position seems to be it's OK if you are felt up, subject to questionable radiations, and anal probed as long as it's the private sector (privates ector?) doing it to you.
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 18 2010 at 16:12 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 17:42 | ||||
If it's done by the private sector, customers who won't like to be touched can choose not to fly and eventually airlines will start offering "no-touch" fares... Some airlines will apply the no-touch policy to all their flights, thus attracting customers who don't want to be touched at all.
But then these would be the airlines favored by terrorists... This poses a problem. Really, besides what I just said, what is so much better about being touched by the private and not the public sector?
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thellama73
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8368 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 18:48 | ||||
The private sector is more experienced and competent. |
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Padraic
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 18:50 | ||||
This is based on the assumption that terrorism is foiled by grabbing people's crotch.
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jammun
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3449 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 19:05 | ||||
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 19:26 | ||||
Well, if it's a man and you squeeze really hard... |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 22:29 | ||||
That's like saying, besides the difference in taste, appearance, scent, and texture what is the difference between an apple and an orange? Well yeah if I can't mention things like taste I guess I would say nothing is different between an apple and an orange. The feedback mechanism which exists in the private sector is what is important. The heterogeneity of product is what is important in the private sector.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Henry Plainview
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 22:52 | ||||
What the hell? No, everybody deserves decency and dignity, and I would think that a pro-lifer would understand that. I am open to disagreements about what decency and dignity mean for people in a maximum security prison, but Sheriff Joe is a f**king a****le who should be in prison himself.
Obstruction of justice, you are preventing the trial of the person from going forward (if he hasn't yet been convicted) or preventing him from serving his sentence. You are hurting the state because you are making them use more resources to attempt to catch him and you are potentially allowing him to commit another crime, and it would obviously be hurting someone if you did. And then you would be an accessory to that crime. The quotes from the TSA guy and woman who lost her mother in 9/11 really upset me. I would be absolutely happy to get on a plane with people who weren't pornoscanned or felt up, shut the hell up. And why did they even quote that woman? Did they call her, did she volunteer? Either way, why did they think anybody would care at all what she has to say about anything? I honestly don't even really care about 9/11 anymore: of course it was tragic, but 11 times that many people died in traffic accidents last year. And that's 3600 people less than 2008: we saved an entire 9/11 with aggressive safety laws and improved safety design! I bet you approximately that many people will die in traffic accidents in NYC itself before we start building the new tower at Ground Zero since we're too busy with symbolic grief-w**king to do anything. And Jody (or if there's anybody else on this forum who has a personal connection to 9/11), if you're reading this, I don't mean to disrespect your nephew's memory, but I hope you can see the point I am intending to make. And yes, I know I have no soul.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 22:56 | ||||
I burned the rest of my humanity away recently. Brofist. |
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: November 18 2010 at 23:35 | ||||
Hurting the state is a crime? It can't be. The state doesn't exist; it's not a person. It's no more wrong to harm the state than harming a cause. Hell you not serving in the military is hurting the state. Me reading Anarchist literature is hurting the state. These things can't be crimes. You're not an accessory to a crime for letting someone stay in your house and lying to the cops about it, in my book anyway. |
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: November 19 2010 at 01:22 | ||||
Said it before, at least yall on here are true.
I can't help but laugh when people (OK college kids) get all libertarian about very specific issues. There's this FB group with people all up in arms because a bunch of state governments...meh just see for yourself. http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=153878914657475&index=1 For Freedom? And location: America! And a bunch of hardcore partiers/politically uncaring friends of mine are into it. Gotta love how its about an alcoholic beverage. Wonder how many really care or are just peeved about this damn drink being taken away. "Drink Hard. Drive Fast. But not at the same time. LOKO FOR MY LIFE" is a wonderful example of it. "Im a huge fan of the Four Loco!!!!! not because i drink it...i find it repulsive, but the ladies love it and it gets the party booomin!! caffine/alchohol combo is the party mix, redbull/vodca ...etc.... SO LETS GET FADEY FOUR LOCO STYLEY....oh and who said outlaw beef instead? I hate you."Another sterling example.... Sorry, people piss me off |
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manofmystery
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: November 19 2010 at 02:00 | ||||
Funny/sad TSA public service parody
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Time always wins. |
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