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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 11:46
Kansas  - because of length (or lack thereof).  The show was 75 minutes and that included the encore.
 
I wasn't wowed by Carl Palmer either.  Aside from rearranging some of the ELP material for guitar instead of keyboards, I was looking more twists than what was offered up.  The show seemed to lack spontanaity as well, which I think could have added a lot to it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 11:57
Pink Floyd 1977 - Jeppessen Stadium on the University of Houston campus. It drizzled steadily for most of the show, and the inflatable pig malfunctioned and had to hasten an early retreat, to the disappointment of thousands of ravenous dogs. All of Animals, all of Wish You Were Here, "Speak to Me/Breath," "On the Run," "Time," “Money," and "Us and Them." But the real disappointment came when the show ended and throngs of sheep herded the stage, throwing bottles at the roadies!

The music that night was superb! Their legendary 360 degree sound system was undaunted by the moisture. The light shows, animation, and pyrotechnics were phenomenal. Even with a plastic garbage bag draped from my shoulders I was perfectly entertained. I suppose my point is that the audience has ruined more concert experiences for me than the performers. Ian Anderson said once that he purposely fashioned the introduction to A Passion Play to be full-throttle, in-your-face loud because he hated dealing with the rudeness of concert goers (they even played the “middle bit” of Thick as a Brick on the 1973 tour to avoid the softer acoustic beginning). I’m serious, folks! I really became disenchanted with the whole concert-going experience due to the behavior of the audience.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 14:01
"disenchanted with the whole concert-going experience due to the behavior of the audience. "

As someone who has lived in Europe and North America i have come  find the audience here North America not as good as the once in Europe   ether at huge gig or at little gigs in Pubs or Bars ,  I Have been to a good few local gigs here in Southern Ontario found the audience rather  ignorant they seem to spend more time talking and making a noise and in  some instance making more noise than the band on the stage.

i resiliently went to one gig where really nice blues band playing and most the audience spent the whole time with there back to the stage. 

in my experience European audiences are far more receptive of Artist than i have found here in North America .     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 14:08
Originally posted by Hawkwise Hawkwise wrote:

"disenchanted with the whole concert-going experience due to the behavior of the audience. "

As someone who has lived in Europe and North America i have come  find the audience here North America not as good as the once in Europe   ether at huge gig or at little gigs in Pubs or Bars ,  I Have been to a good few local gigs here in Southern Ontario found the audience rather  ignorant they seem to spend more time talking and making a noise and in  some instance making more noise than the band on the stage.

i resiliently went to one gig where really nice blues band playing and most the audience spent the whole time with there back to the stage. 

in my experience European audiences are far more receptive of Artist than i have found here in North America .     


Not always, I'm afraid.

When The The came on to play at Six Of The Best (the Gabriel/Genesis reunion), a ton of bottles simultaneously hit the stage. Lots of rock fans most unhappy with what they perceived as New Romantic crap.

When I saw Yeggles at Deeside, half of the crowd continually shouted at the band to get Trevor Horn & Geoff Downes off the stage, and bring on Anderson & Wakeman from behind the stage. The other half merely walked out and went to the pub at the top of the hill.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 14:16
Having seen bands and artists like Hawkwind, VDGG & Peter Hammill, Roy Harper, Man and Pink Fairies many times in many situations over the years seemed to make the fact that one night they would be spell-binding, the next truely awful, just part of the course and not a cause for dissapointment. I suppose a lot of it was down to technical issues.. some down to, er, temperament.. some down to just to much pre-gig 'good time'.
ive walked out of some very lame 'Tribute' bands (mostly Pink Floyd.. they just seem to want to cover the worst stuff in the dullest way..)
i was very dissapointed by Twelfth Night and Pallas last year but as my wife said..' what did you really expect?'LOL
Saw Yes a couple of times, some years ago and was dissapointed by their lack of fire.. resolved to just listen to the studio recordings.. last year, accompanied a friend to see them with Benoit David and found myself almost in tears, singing along (isnt that a drag.. you go to gig to listen to the band only to get some sad old fart singing tunelessly in your ear!Wink) and really enjoying it.. Nostalgia?? Probably... Wheres my Pipe and SlippersSleepy

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 14:20
Two shows stand out as particularly disappointing. I had the opportunity to see Dylan in a relatively small venue in 1996, and was quite excited at the prospect, but he gave the most lack-lustre performance I have ever seen. Zero audience rapport, basically seemed as though he didn't give a damn. After the show, a friend of mine commented, :I didn't realize Bob Dylan was dead."

The other one was the Stones in 1989 in Toronto. Their performances were not bad, but even 20 years ago, they were basically a museum act verging on self-parody. The kicker--and I do not remember what song this happened during--was the sudden appearance, at either side of the stage, of huge inflatable plastic masturbating women, Seriously, about four stories high. It was embarrassing just to be there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 14:28
Mentioned it before.  But, I went to see Genesis on the 'Mama' tour playing for The Prince and Princess of Wales and although it wasn't the worst gig I've been to the only old stuff they played was the 'usual suspects' in a medley.  And then they played some awful clap along medley of soul and pop stuff done badly that they shouldn't touch with a barge pole on the end of along sticky thing. 
 
I swore I would never go and see them again and so I didn't - Oh well!
 
The other one was Simple Minds dull dull dull ..... (90s)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 14:36
Pink Floyd without Roger Waters. Lacked something, but I can't put my finger on it.
Oh yeah, the whiny self-pitying presence of a Founder (beat you to it, Walter).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 14:42
Originally posted by jean-marie jean-marie wrote:

Worst gig? for sure AMON DUUL2  in paris on 1977 that incredible band had turned to a mainstream hardrock band, a second hand band i must say , they were quite ridiculous what a pity, and having talked so much about them to my friends ,i was ridiculous tooConfused
 
Some of the stuff that is out there, that was recorded with them live is quite sad ... and doesn't compare to the brilliance of the band live in their "Live in London" album which is excellent.
 
In the end, their biggest problem is attitude, and being so free spirited means that they think they can do anything they want, and not have to rehearse or make it better.
 
Gong had the same problem. Saw them many times, and with Pip they were jazzy, with Pierre they were rock'y and excellent and could trip really nice, and with the other drummer ... they were ... not very good, and their sound quality and strength dropped considerably, specially without a keyboard player to augment the full range of the music.
 
Let's see ...
 
Deep Purple - Long Beach Arena. They were too loud and were out of tune. Tongue
 
Ozric Tentacles - No sound guy to mix their stuff and you could not hear the keyboards. It was the Ed and Brandi show without the sex! It was also, a "freebie" show done in a garage that had the worst sound system. It was the 2nd time the Ozric's have sounded terrible that I have seen ... it has taken the taste out of the music, specially if the band is not worried about what comes out on the other end. Embarrassed
 
Dream Theater - Seen them 3 times. The last two times they have not taken care to make sure they can be heard. It was the guitar and drum show .... and it was like three other people didn't exist in the band. It was the worst mixing job I have ever seen in my life ... and if I were the band's manager I would fire those sound folks on the spot. It's also highly disappointing and brings the music down from "progressive" to just plain rock'n'roll, when the artist is not interested in the result on the other side of the stage. In my book, DT lost a lot of their credibility at that moment, along with a lazy keyboard player that was only doing little fills here and there and not augmenting the music ... he might as well be ticking himself off in the park somewhere instead. Confused
 
Damo Suzuki - Maybe it was the band of kids that had no idea what the whole experiment and improvisation thing was all about ... they just did variations upon a theme on various rock'n'roll chords and notes ... !!! How original! And extremelly sad to see Damo have to live through that. While I am not comfortable saying that the musicians that he had backing him were not "educated" or "experienced", but they did not have much in the way of understanding, of what music can do other than just scales and chords! And to me, that takes a lot away from Damo's ability to improvise.
 
Most lounge-lizard beginner "prog" bands that have no idea what the term means and think that doing weird scales or changing chords is the meaning of "progressive" or "prog".
 
Most "prog" bands that think they are progressive and all they have is one or two effects on their pedals --- that makes them "prog" ... and not just another version of pop music, which their music is!
 
I gave up concerts a while back ... it's actually safer to go see Styx or James Taylor, than any of these bands, that invariably sound like second rate garage groups.
 
There are more, but not worth the mention at all. Generally speaking, the majority of all these "progressive" bands ... are not capable of bringing their sound with them. There are exceptions and some bands take pride in that ... and you can see them on DVD like Nektar, or Caravan.
 
Hawkwind was excellent both times I saw them with the exception that in the Space 1999 tour in LA, the hall was too small for them and that made it too loud. However, MAN was even better in that show than Hawkwind, and we had to leave two thirds of the way into their show because ... it was simply too loud!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 15:05
Marillion's first gig of the Brave tour at St Davids Hall ,Cardiff. I was quite keen to see Steve Hogarth. The sound quality was dreadfull even taking into consideration it was a live show and I just didn't like the album anyway. Big let down.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 15:36
Two of 'em stick out. First, took a dame to see the sized-down UK open for Tull. Enjoyed the hell out of the former, but the latter was lackluster (this was a few years past Passion Play and the like). After the fifth song, it was bye-bye. Then there was Gabriel in, I believe, '83. He pranced around the stage like a fairy in heat. Had that great band, but I couldn't put up with all the rest. Turned me off to him for some time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 15:38
Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Having seen bands and artists like Hawkwind, VDGG & Peter Hammill, Roy Harper, Man and Pink Fairies many times in many situations over the years seemed to make the fact that one night they would be spell-binding, the next truely awful, just part of the course and not a cause for dissapointment. ....
 
I usually "separate" the artist from the rest ... in the sense that the majority of the problems with bad shows are not the artists themselves, but the external part of it. ... with the exception of The Rolling Stones ... yeah ... that was out of tune, off kilter and they were not together ... and at least 2 of them were so ripped they could barely stand up! ...
 
I've seen, for example, Daevid Allen in person with a guitar, on stage by himself and tapes (Divided Alien 10k years ago), and with Gong and with University of Errors and ... gosh ... what else? ... and Daevid is usually fine and I have never seen him have a bad night ... I think that he was less into it with University of Errors, but I thought he was tired, not exactly out of it.
 
But the ones I don't like and lose respect for, is like Dream Theater ... because it is all about the ego and making sure the audience knows they have a bigger ego, and not stick to the music ...
 
Pink Floyd's biggest problem the 5 times I saw them? Roger Waters complaining about people being so stoned and the polution from it interfering with their work.  Sound was excellent. Shows were fine. Pig was fine at Anaheim Stadium, though Roger wasn't happy to catch fans fighting for pieces of it ... and yeah ... people did try to get to the stage and steal one of the blocks from The Wall in LA!
 
So yeah ... sometimes the audience is the problem. ... the ones I would like to throw out are the ones that scream "rock'n'roll" in the middle of it all ... and one day, I caught one musician making some faces about it  to that fan! And about 20 minutes later when the fan said it again, he was ushered out of the hall ... and the band was Tangerine Dream!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 16:30
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Yanch: Was it after Glasscock died? That would probably explain it.
 
I once saw The Highwaymen: Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Kris Kristofferson and Johnny Cash. They made no impression on the audience whatsoever which was bizarre given that these guys are legendary figures and the audience was rearing to see them. But there just seemed to be this invisible thick glass wall over the stage for some reason, it felt like a soundcheck or something and they totally missed the crowd.

Hey Textbook-no. it was actually with John Glascock!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 17:28
in 37 years of practical life as an ex.pilot ( i'm 57 now ) i've been to a hundreds of live performances & gigs . some of them were live , and the others through videos , all around the world . but what was really surprising to me was ( a night to remember ) by the three davids that i really liked ! this night was crossing my red lines as the nightmare that i couldn't dream of ! i really like David Bowie , but he has nothing to do on this stage . not even David Crosby ( the blues man hiding behind Nash & Young ) they're both great in their field . but to let them perform these masterpieces in a funny ways !!!!wow , the third David let this happens , it was a wrong move , wrong people , wrong timing , but in the right place !! i've seen it once , it's more than enough , only Echoes , deserves much credit in this DVD . Richard (rip)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2010 at 00:58

In the seventies it seemed that every concert always opened with a support act that was at best poor, and with the exception of Squeeze have left a complete blank on my memory. When Squeeze were a support act, it was the first time I'd seen a drummer counting throughout the songs.

I remember one support 'act' playing in complete silence after he explained that he wouldn't be paid unless he played.
 
The upside was that the main act was always so,so much better.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2010 at 01:34
Originally posted by popski3125 popski3125 wrote:

In the seventies it seemed that every concert always opened with a support act that was at best poor, and with the exception of Squeeze have left a complete blank on my memory. When Squeeze were a support act, it was the first time I'd seen a drummer counting throughout the songs.

I remember one support 'act' playing in complete silence after he explained that he wouldn't be paid unless he played.
 
The upside was that the main act was always so,so much better.
 
Although someone I know always goes on about the time when Van Halen supported Black Sabbath. Van Halen were a breath of fresh air and then Sabbath came on and plodded there way through War Pigs etc They were shown up by Van Halen. This would have been late seventies I imagine.
 
In my own experience I remember being dragged along to a Marilyn Manson concert about 10 years ago. I really enjoyed the support acts (modern metal bands ,can't remember the names) but then Manson came on and it was panto with inferior musicians.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2010 at 07:02
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Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

I saw Mostly Autumn for the first time in June last year. Having heard quite a lot of praise for them and since bands tend to be better live than on CD I thought it would be good to see them. Most of my problems was that the band are pretty rubbish, but their live sound is still very flat and devoid of energy, not good for a live performance.


What a load of utter b*******s. Anyone who describes a band of this quality as rubbish clearly is utterly tasteless.

I've seen MA about 7 times and will be seeing them again in Dec in York.

They have never been less than excellent and some of their gigs have been on the shortlist for the best I've ever seen. The combination of superb music, excellent musicianship and back-projected imagery are always a mesmerising experience.
Well, I'm sorry if you find slightly prog tinged AOR band with a wannabe Gilmore on guitar as a good band, but thats your problem and not mine, and I've seen a lot of bands that could play rings around MA with ease. Hope you enjoy the York gig, but I know I'll skip them for Frost* when they come back around to the Robin 2.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2010 at 07:05
Originally posted by Rasvamakkara Rasvamakkara wrote:

Pain of Salvation on the Scarsick tour is my biggest live dissappointment. I'm not a fan of Scarsick, so the setlist was far from perfect for me, but that wasn't the only problem. I thought the music sounded forced and lacked the emotion I was expecting from a PoS concert. The problem may have been in my end, for many girls were crying pretty much every time Gildenlöw opened his mouth. The concert also included the biggest anti-climax I've ever witnessed: in the end of Undertow where the song grows bigger and bigger until it reaches the climax, they suddenly cut it short and switched to acapella. The concert wasn't a complete disaster though, I did enjoy some moments, but I was expecting much more.
Thats a surprise, I saw them on that tour and they were absolutely brilliant, at the very least in my top 3 live performances that I've seen, though I'm glad I didnt get the acappella at the end of Undertow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2010 at 10:11
Oops! Pushed "Post Reply" before I'd written anything! Excuse me!

Anyway, I guess I've been quite fortunate that most concerts I've been to have been quite decent. I remember falling to sleep at a Jackson Brown concert in '77. but my most disappointing concert was definitely DOVES in 2004. Small venue, great. Just after the "Cities" disc had been released (which I didn't really like--love their first two). Jimmy was sick--head cold--and had almost cancelled the show. Sound was SOOOOO loud my hearing was gone for three days and ringing for a week. They were a bass/acoustic guitarist, lead guitarist, and drummer. That's it. Al of the brilliant nuances and subtleties in their studio music was gone, absent, lost, with no effort to make them up. When Nina Hagen was sick in '84 she still gave a great show! 

Also, Bruce Cockburn in 2000. I've seen Bruce many times and LOVED every one of his shows--solo, full band, partial band, etc. This was the his last show of a long world tour and he looked, acted, played tired. Only "Rocket Launcher" got any emotion from him (as it always seems to). The rest of the set you could tell he was just goin through the motions, laughing with his bandmates at all their mistakes. No encore. 
 
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