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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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ELP are probably my favourite Prog Rock band of all time as they embody pretty much everything wonderful and wretched about the genre:
Virtuosos, ego-maniacal, pretentious/tongue in cheek, vain, flamboyant, innovative, challenging, experimental, didactic (they're the only reason I started listening to classical music) They do seem to attract a LOT of flak on PA and some of it is richly deserved (Works, Love Beach, In the Hot Seat) but the five albums they released from 1970 to 73 are unimpeachable from any prog lover's perspective in my book. That's not to say these albums are beyond criticism but bashing same as 'not the real McProg' is like blaming Noah for the sinking of the Titanic. |
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18080 |
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BINGO
My listening to their work stops at Brain Salad Surgery.
It is revolutionary in the sense that at first the keyboards were used for effect ... and later strictly for solo potential and nothing else.
I also think that the lyrics themselves were often quite confrontational and not always nice ... and I think that may have been a product of their personality clashes, but in the end, when they became "stars" ... the majority of their musicianship went down the drain in my book.
The first two albums made a point and showed something ... and after that, a lot of European bands did a lot better than ELP. I sometimes think they just got lazy.
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Bitterblogger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 04 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1719 |
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In regard to the lads, I always thought that symphonic prog encouraged elaboration, and ELP maybe went from there into bombast. But many love that aspect. It's undeniable that these three were superb musicians with technical know-how. Most critics seemingly went out of their way to um, Sl*g them.
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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I think they had to have been a huge influence on Spinal Tap.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Gerinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5154 |
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From the debut and until Welcome Back My Friends they are all masterpieces to me, regardless of the inconsistent tracks here and there. Works I is also very worthy. Definitely one of my fav bands.
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Moogtron III ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
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I don't think that a single month goes by or this album sleeve is being shown on a PA thread.
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FromuzBand ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: November 23 2010 Location: Uzbekistan Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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I've seen them on Сreation of peace festival in Kazan, Russia
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Progressive rock band FROM.UZ
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AtomicCrimsonRush ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 02 2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 14258 |
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Best band for a long time and left an indelible mark on prog and music in general. Unforgettable compositions such as Karn Evil 9, Tarkus, Take a Pebble. I have all their CDs and some DVDs.
But please stop posting this abomination
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AtomicCrimsonRush ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 02 2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 14258 |
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oops sorry how did that ahappen
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Moogtron III ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
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Simple: your subconscious inner self is subscribing my earlier stated hypothesis, that Love Beach is a very important album in prog
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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I like ELP but am not crazy about them.
"Tarkus" and "Karn Evil 9" (1st and 3rd Impressions) blow me away. |
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Cactus Choir ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2008 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1043 |
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At the top of their game (1970-73) they were creative and hugely exciting. They did more to popularise prog and open up opportunities for similar bands than any other group IMO. They bridged the gap between heavy rock - Zep, Purple etc - and prog like no-one else, having the power and aggression of the former and the variety and complexity of the latter. Quite a few on here don't like them but their importance to the genre is not in doubt.
After their 70s peaks Genesis, Yes, Rush etc spent most of the 80s churning out dull, sub-standard quasi-prog. If you're going to go down the pan properly you need to release an album like Love Beach. Even ELP's implosion is a source of (comic) entertainment to me! |
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Prog Geo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2010 Location: Athens (Greece) Status: Offline Points: 2555 |
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Surely,a must-listen artist.
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infandous ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 23 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2447 |
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Along with Rush, ELP were the first REAL prog band I got into. I haven't listened to anything of theirs in a while, but whenever I do, I still enjoy it. Starting with Works, they pretty much lost me (though there is some half decent stuff on there). Interestingly enough, I heard the "An Officer and A Gentleman" suite on satellite radio this past weekend. The thought that came to my mind was that this was what it would sound like if Barry Mannilow wrote a prog suite
![]() ![]() But at their peak, they were fantastic. My favorite is either Tarkus (whole album, love it all) or Brain Salad Surgery (total masterpiece). But the first two and Welcome Back My Friends..... are also fantastic albums. I imagine the sl*g.ing comes from the fact that they were overly bombastic, pretentious, egotistical, and represent all the excesses of prog. Which is, incidentally, also what made them so great ![]() |
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chrijom ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 23 2010 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 683 |
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I used to listen to them alot bought all albums from their debut up till works II. Didn't mind Works I. However, I don't listen to them much now, for me they haven't stood the test of time as well as Genesis, Crimson, Yes etc. Just my personal listening habits.
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darksideof ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 22 2007 Location: Newark N.J. Status: Offline Points: 2318 |
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love this band as one my top 70's band of all time.
This is funny this topic was going on while I was creating a collage and I didn't know about it!!! Please check it out. ![]() http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73487&title=welcome-back-my-friends-collage-appreciation
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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Karn Evil 9 (1st impression parts one & two) is truly a marvellous prog masterpiece. Tarkus less so, and I love Pictures at an Exhibition except that horrible "Nutrocker" Alas, had BSS not had the rest of the dross - it would be one of the best albums ever - my gripe with ELP, was that they were capable of producing sublime symphonic prog, but instead gave us Benny the Bouncer...... Genesis comedy song "Harold the Barrel" was the correct way to produce a quirky comic-prog classic....
If Emerson had done more "The Old Castle" style moog bursts - he'd have pleased a helluva lot more proggers than "Jeremy Bender".....
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questionsneverknown ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2009 Location: Ultima Thule Status: Offline Points: 604 |
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Ah, the old serial comma dilemma. There is a cultural divide on this one. Americans tend to use it, Britons tend not to. Lynn Truss makes a strong case for the latter (well she is a Brit) in Eats Shoots and Leaves (in fact the punchline to the title is all about this). To my eyes the comma means "and," so you don't need that final comma, otherwise it means "Emerson and Lake and and Palmer." On the other hand, maybe those two ands imply a space for inserting other figures, you know, like Hendrix or Powell? Anyway . . . I deeply love ELP and just don't understand the hatred they experience on, of all places, a prog site. There are of course some good songs on Love Beach. (Shoot, did I just write that in public?) It's just that you shouldn't actually write a song called "Love Beach," and you certainly shouldn't then go to give that title to the whole album and then you absolutely should not shoot a cover with yourselves featured as the Second Coming of the Gibbs brothers. |
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The damage that we do is just so powerfully strong we call it love
The damage that we do just goes on and on and on but not long enough. --Robyn Hitchcock |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29495 |
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I like what you are saying although I am prepared to defend Rush who for me took over ELP's mantle and created their own brand of sophisticated keyboard/synth based prog for the eighties. Their run of albums from Moving Pictures to Grace Under Pressure showed much of the invention that made ELP a great band even if it wasn't in the form of long intricate peices of music.
Love Beach is not that hateable an album really. Lake and Palmer actually perform well on it but sadly Emerson had lost all enthusiasm at that point and it shows (bar perhaps the piano bits on Memoirs Of An Officer and a Gentleman). The orchestral tour was everything he wanted and he admitted afterwards that he was depresssed that he couldn't recreate that massive sound. ELP would have ended at that point but for the contractural obligation with Atlantic records.
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