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JLocke 
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 Posted: November 09 2010 at 19:56 |
 Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Do you any reading comprehension problem? 
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Do I any reading comprehension problem? No, but you might some poor writing skills.  
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 20:02 |
JLocke wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Do you any reading comprehension problem?
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Do I any reading comprehension problem? No, but you might some poor writing skills. |
Again...Have you noticed that my reply is after Mike's statement and not directed towards you?
Iván
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JLocke
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 20:12 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
JLocke wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Do you any reading comprehension problem?
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Do I any reading comprehension problem? No, but you might some poor writing skills. |
Again...Have you noticed that my reply is after Mike's statement and not directed towards you?
Iván |
I just felt like having some fun with you. I wasn't saying you were addressing me.
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Nightshine
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 20:17 |
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I think it's about time people stop believing in fairy tales without concrete proof to support their existence.
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 20:20 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Hmm, how about this? Science doesn't make good religion and religion doesn't make good science.
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Oh hey here's one person who didn't ignore what I wrote. Thanks, Slarti, though I think you miss the heart of the matter in that religion makes good religion, but religion isn't good in the first place. Next time I try to add something here, I'll remember this is the Ivan and Mike Discussion and I'll keep my opinions to myself.
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Chris S
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 20:26 |
Evolution?
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Not in 147 pages  |
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<font color=Brown>Music - The Sound Librarian
...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR]
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Textbook
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 20:27 |
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I wonder which one out of Mike and Ivan will be the first to say "Shut up and kiss me."
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 20:36 |
The T wrote:
Is there any kind of interpretation for the "if he seeks god sincerely" part of that Constitution you cited Ivan? Because if there is not, we atheists are f**ked, straight down to hell... |
Hell for us is the absence of God, not a place of torture and punishment, and like it or not...That was your choice, some simply rejected God others are even offensive and arrogant, so what's the problem for atheists about spending eternity apart from God?
Iván
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Textbook
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 20:38 |
The one I really feel sorry for is god, having to spend eternity with all those theists.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 20:44 |
Well, it's up 147 pages and going strong. Someone must have already quoted this by XTC: "Dear God, sorry to disturb you, but... I feel that I should be heard Loud and clear. We all need a big reduction in amount of tears And all the people that you made in your image, see them fighting In the street 'cause they can't make opinions meet about God,"
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Textbook
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 20:47 |
Can you believe, god makes you breathe
How did he lose, six million jews
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Chris S
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 20:55 |
....Oh and 20 million Russians....
As David Crosby once chimed on the level of understanding cognitive ethics....." I almost Cut My Hair..."
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<font color=Brown>Music - The Sound Librarian
...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR]
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jampa17
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 22:11 |
Textbook wrote:
Can you believe, god makes you breathe
How did he lose, six million jews |
How is that HE lost those ones...? maybe their relatives, maybe the world and mankind... but surely God didn't lose them pal... He is God, he doesn't lose anybody...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Any Colour You Like
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 22:15 |
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Oh, internets.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 22:30 |
Textbook wrote:
Can you believe, god makes you breathe
How did he lose, six million jews |
The math is a little bit off, since he lost more than just the 6 million jews, but I think this is a somewhat relevant. 
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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thellama73
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 23:15 |
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He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sunday, is what I think.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: November 10 2010 at 01:36 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
So - you believe something until it is proven 100% wrong? That means you have to believe in any supernatural claim, because these tend to be unfalsifiable. Or do you simply make a special exception for your own belief? |
Do you any reading comprehension problem?
I said:
Iván_Melgar_M wrote:
Now, I don't reject anything that can't be demonstrable, I reject geocentricism because it's PROVEN FALSE. |
In other words, I may believe in something that can't be demonstrated, but once something has been proven false beyond any doubt, I can't believe in it.
My statement and my position are pristine clear.
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Your position is just as I described it - and a laughing emoticon doesn't change the fact that it's you who have the reading comprehension problem here. Have a look at the underlined parts. You're essentially saying that there are some things that you may believe in not because they can be demonstrated to be true, but just because they haven't been proven false beyond any doubt. And if "some" includes the claims of Catholicism but not leprechauns, sky pixies and orbiting teapots (and thousands of other more serious claims, called "religions"), you are making special pleading, and you don't have any objective reason for doing that.
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Textbook
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Posted: November 10 2010 at 02:49 |
Mike/Ivan: Seriously guys, just have sex already.
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 10 2010 at 07:55 |
Textbook wrote:
Mike/Ivan: Seriously guys, just have sex already. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 10 2010 at 09:18 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Your position is just as I described it - and a laughing emoticon doesn't change the fact that it's you who have the reading comprehension problem here. Have a look at the underlined parts. You're essentially saying that there are some things that you may believe in not because they can be demonstrated to be true, but just because they haven't been proven false beyond any doubt. And if "some" includes the claims of Catholicism but not leprechauns, sky pixies and orbiting teapots (and thousands of other more serious claims, called "religions"), you are making special pleading, and you don't have any objective reason for doing that.
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Mike, even when religion can't be demonstrated |100%, I feel I have enough evidence (personal, biblical, faith, etc) to believe in it, flying teapots is simply something stupid taking from Bertram Russell that some atheists use to make mockery of religion and leprechauns are just a legend.
I simply don't compare them as you, there are not thousands if not millions of documents and experiences that may lead us to believe in God, that's not the case of flying teapots, which as Eric Reitan said teapots are physical and therefore in principle verifiable
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 10 2010 at 09:32
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