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    Posted: November 03 2010 at 14:56

I was amazed to see on his website that Greg posted a lengthy and sometimes bitter rant against people taping his shows and sharing them. I can see his reasons behind it but theirs no need to call some of his fans ‘’intellectually challenged’’. He coldly declares that he ‘’will have no hesitation whatsoever in commencing legal proceedings against you for the recovery of our property or compensation for the loss plus any damages.’’ That’s some way to treat fans who just like a recording of the show they have attended. His patronizing tone has almost put me off his music. I know Robert Fripp is like that but I don’t remember him calling his fans ‘’intellectually challenged’’.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 14:57

Here it is in full for those who aren’t members:

 

‘’Anyone taping shows and then distributing them to the general public is stealing. The fact that they are apparently giving these things away or "sharing them" as they sometimes like to put it is absolutely no excuse.

They are simply depriving the rightful owner of his or her rights. In the case of songs and books etc these are called "copyrights".

I suppose when this does happen it is done in a sort of Robin Hood spirit of "steal from the rich and give to the poor".

Well there are two things I would say about this.

Firstly, any performance created by an artist belongs to that artist, it is simply a property that belongs to the person who created it.

The second is, and I know this may be hard for some of the more intellectually challenged to grasp, but artists can only live and continue to create if they are paid for the work they do.

If this work is stolen and then distributed for free then artists will eventually have to stop producing.

Now it may be true that some artists are very successful and therefore make a great deal of money, but that is simply what happens in a democracy and surely that is still part of the good old American dream.

You couldn't justify stealing a computer from a store just because Gill Gates happened to be rich and the same should apply to songs and music in the same way.

The idea that everything belongs to everybody is basically communism which quite frankly has been proven not to work.

Ownership of intellectual rights, (that is songs or literature or paintings etc) is no different to anything else created by someone's hard work and endeavour.

The recording from a performance is a product pure and simple and make no mistake when you steal that product you are committing a crime. Even if you later decide to throw it, or give it away.

So all I would say to anyone who intends to tape my songs or ELP live etc and then sell them or give them away on You Tube etc, do be careful to keep your name and address a closely guarded secret because I or ELP will have no hesitation whatsoever in commencing legal proceedings against you for the recovery of our property or compensation for the loss plus any damages.

And again, to anyone so inclined, please do bear in mind that it is easy these days for anyone to track and identify an individual computer by its unique ID number.

Greg Lake.’’

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 14:58
Fair comment.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:02

Oh and ''Gill Gates'' is Greg's mistake not mine. Someone posted on his forum that it's ''Bill's similarly well-off evil twin.''LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:08
Yeah, donuts aren't cheap, gotta protect yourself from the lost revenue from sh*tty youtube uploads.
Originally posted by Adams Bolero Adams Bolero wrote:


And again, to anyone so inclined, please do bear in mind that it is easy these days for anyone to track and identify an individual computer by its unique ID number.
Ummm....The nerdier people may correct me here, but I'm pretty sure this makes no sense.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:11
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Yeah, donuts aren't cheap, gotta protect yourself from the lost revenue from sh*tty youtube uploads.
Originally posted by Adams Bolero Adams Bolero wrote:


And again, to anyone so inclined, please do bear in mind that it is easy these days for anyone to track and identify an individual computer by its unique ID number.
Ummm....The nerdier people may correct me here, but I'm pretty sure this makes no sense.

Thats because its a rant.LOL





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:23
All I can picture is some nerdy kid in a basement downloading ELP when suddenly a big armadillo breaks through the wall.  "Looks like you're not a lucky man!"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:26
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

All I can picture is some nerdy kid in a basement downloading ELP when suddenly a big armadillo breaks through the wall.  "Looks like you're not a lucky man!"


Clap  Thank you, you just made my day.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:26
I hate to say this, but I've lost a little bit of respect for Greg Lake after reading that.

Does he honestly think that crappy YouTube uploads are killing the music business? All YouTube uploads do is give a band more exposure. No one's seriously going to say "I saw a bootleg of Karn Evil 9 on YouTube, so I now I refuse to buy Brain Salad Surgery or ever see ELP live". It just doesn't work that way.

Although bootlegging and sharing the MP3's could be considered piracy, the same thing applies to a lesser extent here as well. No one is going to say "I have a bootlegged version of Karn Evil 9, so I won't ever see ELP live".

Maybe he's just greedy, and doesn't want his fans hearing his work live. It's impossible to go to every concert, and for die-hard fans, bootlegs are great. It gives his fans an opportunity to hear his performances that they couldn't attend. I do, however, understand his stance, but calling his fans "intellectually challenged" is stepping over the line IMO.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:31
Speaking personally (not as an admin) I think the thread title is unfortunate. "Greg lake speaks..etc." would have been better, leaving it to the ensuing debate to ponder whether it's a rant or not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:32
I'm kinda inclined to agree with you, J-Man. I buy approximately 90% of what I find on youtube. For me, it's like a big advert, it's how I hunt down music and films, etc, that I like. Infact, if I can't check something out on youtube or similar and have no other way of checking it out, like from a friend, I probably won't buy it. There's just too much stuff out there, I can't buy it all, I need to test it first. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:35
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Yeah, donuts aren't cheap, gotta protect yourself from the lost revenue from sh*tty youtube uploads.
Originally posted by Adams Bolero Adams Bolero wrote:


And again, to anyone so inclined, please do bear in mind that it is easy these days for anyone to track and identify an individual computer by its unique ID number.
Ummm....The nerdier people may correct me here, but I'm pretty sure this makes no sense.

The way he said it is incorrect, he's probably talking about your IP Address. Which there are ways around, but if you are using those, chances are pirating musical performances isn't your interest so much as hacking.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:36
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

All I can picture is some nerdy kid in a basement downloading ELP when suddenly a big armadillo breaks through the wall.  "Looks like you're not a lucky man!"
HAHAHAHAHA!!! This made my day, too!!! Too funny. That visual is priceless.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:43
Greg Lake isn't very smart these days, is he? Poor man...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:52
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

All I can picture is some nerdy kid in a basement downloading ELP when suddenly a big armadillo breaks through the wall.  "Looks like you're not a lucky man!"


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:59
Originally posted by Kojak Kojak wrote:

I'm kinda inclined to agree with you, J-Man. I buy approximately 90% of what I find on youtube. For me, it's like a big advert, it's how I hunt down music and films, etc, that I like. Infact, if I can't check something out on youtube or similar and have no other way of checking it out, like from a friend, I probably won't buy it. There's just too much stuff out there, I can't buy it all, I need to test it first. 


Exactly my point. I can't tell you how many bands I've checked out thanks to MP3 or YouTube samples. Without those, I would have no idea what the band sounds like.

Now, for most people, this isn't the case with ELP - most people already know what ELP sounds like. However, online YouTube videos are just as equally good, except for different reason. Since ELP has a big following, it gives their fans a chance to check out their latest shows. There's really no downside to YouTube clips, from any perspective.

The reason why some bands aren't selling well is because of piracy of albums, not bootlegs. Keep in mind that you can't buy a bootleg directly from a band, thus the artist isn't losing any business from bootlegging. If anything, the artist is just gaining more exposure. The artist may be losing money from downloading of full-length albums. Blaming this on bootlegs is just a silly thing to do IMO.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 16:19
All I deduce from this is that someone is not as well off as he used to be.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 16:28
I went to a gallery; there was an Picasso exhibition. If  friend of mine took a photo of me with famous Picasso's painting, and if I publish that photo on Facebook, is that a crime?

Downloading loads of albums via torrents is one thing, but a crappy bootleg? Give me a break.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 16:28
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

All I can picture is some nerdy kid in a basement downloading ELP when suddenly a big armadillo breaks through the wall.  "Looks like you're not a lucky man!"
The post of the month!LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 16:30
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

All I can picture is some nerdy kid in a basement downloading ELP when suddenly a big armadillo breaks through the wall.  "Looks like you're not a lucky man!"


Rofl

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