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Hawkwise
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 17:31 |
Varon wrote:
In my opinion Guy Evans is very strong but he is never mentioned even in top 50 of great drummers .
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 20:51 |
octopus-4 wrote:
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Annie Haslam, Dave Stewart, John Weathers. All three fairly well known in prog circles but their worthiness is perhaps not fully appreciated. |
Annie Haslam was great with Renaissance, but her solo works are worse than Phil Collins' |
Yeah, so? Besides the first two albums aren't as bad as Collins-pop. What's wrong with this song?
Edited by rogerthat - October 30 2010 at 10:05
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octopus-4
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 23:38 |
rogerthat wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Annie Haslam, Dave Stewart, John Weathers. All three fairly well known in prog circles but their worthiness is perhaps not fully appreciated. |
Annie Haslam was great with Renaissance, but her solo works are worse than Phil Collins' |
Yeah, so? Besides the first two albums aren't as bad as Collins-pop. What's wrong with this song?
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I have tried just a couple of her solo albums. they doesn't make me wishing to listen to the rest. I may have missed something not bad, perhaps. But what about the Moonlight Shadow cover ?
Said so, I think she's very appreciated as singer with Renaissance. There's been a poll recently on which if I'm not wrong she's been voted as the best prog female singer of al times. Doesn't seem to be so underrated
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 12:50 |
octopus-4 wrote:
I have tried just a couple of her solo albums. they doesn't make me wishing to listen to the rest. I may have missed something not bad, perhaps. But what about the Moonlight Shadow cover ? |
To put it bluntly, the Moonlight Shadow cover is limp, as is that album, more or less. Did you listen to the song in that link? Would like to know how that compares to the Moonlight Shadow cover in your opinion.
octopus-4 wrote:
Said so, I think she's very appreciated as singer with Renaissance. There's been a poll recently on which if I'm not wrong she's been voted as the best prog female singer of al times. Doesn't seem to be so underrated |
Hardly any of the best female singers have been from prog, at least in my reading, so that's not saying much. Further, I don't think her work in whistle register vocalization has ever got its due because most people sadly take it to be showboating. It is very innovative and distinct and would be much imitated if other singers had the means to do what she can in the whistle register.
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octopus-4
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 12:57 |
rogerthat wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
I have tried just a couple of her solo albums. they doesn't make me wishing to listen to the rest. I may have missed something not bad, perhaps. But what about the Moonlight Shadow cover ? |
To put it bluntly, the Moonlight Shadow cover is limp, as is that album, more or less. Did you listen to the song in that link? Would like to know how that compares to the Moonlight Shadow cover in your opinion.
octopus-4 wrote:
Said so, I think she's very appreciated as singer with Renaissance. There's been a poll recently on which if I'm not wrong she's been voted as the best prog female singer of al times. Doesn't seem to be so underrated |
Hardly any of the best female singers have been from prog, at least in my reading, so that's not saying much. Further, I don't think her work in whistle register vocalization has ever got its due because most people sadly take it to be showboating. It is very innovative and distinct and would be much imitated if other singers had the means to do what she can in the whistle register. |
I'll try the sample after finishing to listen to the new Mostly Autumn. Regarding Moonlight Shadow, it's the choice of the song more than the execution. I hope to be wrong in this case. Annie has a so impressive voice that in case she did anything better than that cover I'll be more than happy to change my mind.
I heard that she sings on a Magenta album, too. Have you listened to it?
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 13:47 |
octopus-4 wrote:
Regarding Moonlight Shadow, it's the choice of the song more than the execution. |
Yes, but in general, she sounds disinterested and uninspired on that album, ironic for an album named after herself.
octopus-4 wrote:
I hope to be wrong in this case. Annie has a so impressive voice that in case she did anything better than that cover I'll be more than happy to change my mind. |
The sample by the way is of the funeral song Going Home and I haven't heard a better version than that one. Wonderful, sensitive arrangements from Roy Wood too.
octopus-4 wrote:
I heard that she sings on a Magenta album, too. Have you listened to it? |
Don't know about that, but she did sing on a song Night and Day released by them in 2005. Ok, nothing great. She can still hit some amazing notes in concert but I reckon her best is well behind her by now and she's not going to get younger.
Edited by rogerthat - October 28 2010 at 13:49
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octopus-4
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 13:58 |
rogerthat wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
Regarding Moonlight Shadow, it's the choice of the song more than the execution. |
Yes, but in general, she sounds disinterested and uninspired on that album, ironic for an album named after herself.
octopus-4 wrote:
I hope to be wrong in this case. Annie has a so impressive voice that in case she did anything better than that cover I'll be more than happy to change my mind. |
The sample by the way is of the funeral song Going Home and I haven't heard a better version than that one. Wonderful, sensitive arrangements from Roy Wood too.
octopus-4 wrote:
I heard that she sings on a Magenta album, too. Have you listened to it? |
Don't know about that, but she did sing on a song Night and Day released by them in 2005. Ok, nothing great. She can still hit some amazing notes in concert but I reckon her best is well behind her by now and she's not going to get younger.
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Does anybody think she should be included in prog-related?
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33rpm
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 15:49 |
Manuel wrote:
I would also mention Martin Barre of Jethro Tull, who, according to Ian Anderson, is essential to the band, but hardly considered a top of the list guitarist. |
I agree with Manuel. Martin Barre is very underrated.
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Vinyl just sounds better!!
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uduwudu
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 15:54 |
An epic track by a not under rated band often gets ignored when epic racks are discussed. I mean Mind Drive from Keys 2 or Key Studio or for that matter the new 4 CD/DVD pacakage of said release(s.) For a 20 min Yes tune it seems to be ignored in favour of the ones people have had 30 to 40 years with which to become acustomed. Time to let some new music in. I know it's only 13 years old but time to take notice of this great piece.
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timothy leary
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 19:06 |
Oregon, world fusion pioneers, lineup of musicians who are all world class and who have played together since the seventies, a very calming unforced type of sound, the gem amongst gems which comprise their discography in my opinion is "Roots in the Sky" http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2676
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ignatiusrielly
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 19:51 |
Gnidrolog. At least "Lady Lake" is up there with the great albums of the 70s
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Four pails of water and a bagfull of salts
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 20:50 |
octopus-4 wrote:
Does anybody think she should be included in prog-related? |
No way.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 20:51 |
ignatiusrielly wrote:
Gnidrolog. At least "Lady Lake" is up there with the great albums of the 70s
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octopus-4
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 23:26 |
rogerthat wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
Does anybody think she should be included in prog-related? |
No way. |
That's what I meant. If the "best female prog singer" as she was elected in a poll can't be added to PA for her solo works, it means that they are not that good or that prog. It doesn't mean that she's underrated, but I want to give a listen to something else than Moonlight Shadow. At least I'd like the voice.
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XTChuck
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 10:12 |
In my opinion, Camel has got to be THE most underrated prog band. I've never understood why they didn't become hugely successful like Yes or Genesis.
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OT Räihälä
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 13:43 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
ignatiusrielly wrote:
Gnidrolog. At least "Lady Lake" is up there with the great albums of the 70s
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In Spite Of... is better
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Wandered through this thread and was pondering whether anyone would mention Gnidrolog, I think the most underrated English (or partly Welsh) prog act of the 70's. And I've never been able to tell which one of their first two albums is better. Both are great.
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 13:45 |
octopus-4 wrote:
That's what I meant. If the "best female prog singer" as she was elected in a poll can't be added to PA for her solo works, it means that they are not that good or that prog. It doesn't mean that she's underrated, but I want to give a listen to something else than Moonlight Shadow. At least I'd like the voice. |
Not prog =/= not good. Why don't you listen to the song I have linked instead of pre-judging? Oh, and it's 1977 and has no Fairlights or drum machines, if that has any persuasive value.
Edited by rogerthat - October 29 2010 at 13:46
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octopus-4
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 15:55 |
rogerthat wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
That's what I meant. If the "best female prog singer" as she was elected in a poll can't be added to PA for her solo works, it means that they are not that good or that prog. It doesn't mean that she's underrated, but I want to give a listen to something else than Moonlight Shadow. At least I'd like the voice. |
Not prog =/= not good. Why don't you listen to the song I have linked instead of pre-judging? Oh, and it's 1977 and has no Fairlights or drum machines, if that has any persuasive value.
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I will, but I'm pre-judging basing on two albums that I didn't like.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 21:04 |
octopus-4 wrote:
I will, but I'm pre-judging basing on two albums that I didn't like. |
When you listen, you will understand why I am urging you to.
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Theriver
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 21:21 |
Is Prog in general not underrated anyway?
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