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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2010 at 08:02
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Because as a healthy 21 year old I have to subsidize it with my health insurance and taxes for Medicare. Not that I'm against health insurance, it rocked for my 3 hernias and my sister's scoliosis, but part of that is because my Dad has a government plan. :P


That's government's fault. Doesn't happen with real insurance.
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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2010 at 08:04
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

No, I am serious, I don't care about people going RAH RAH NANNY STATE, this is something that America is incredibly stupid about and we need to change it ASAP. If you can't get it through people's fat skulls through reason then I guess we're going to have to take more serious measures. Smoking bans are also excellent, smoke is disgusting. I just wish somebody would actually enforce them at my college, everybody disregards them completely. I like the UK cigarette packaging, it would be fun to adopt it here. 


I believe this invalidates any previous valid point you may have appeared to have made.


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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I lean libertarian, sort of, but I am in favor of that, f**k trans fat. I also think we should tax the sh*t out of soda. 
 
 
Guess I have to post this again (warning: impolite language):
The answer to your wish for more expensive soda is less government, not more.
 
Actually, just watch the whole episode (it's about Fast Food):
Ah, elitist hypocrisy


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Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2010 at 10:41
I've seen that Mimi Rogers woman on TV a lot, and I find her to be an utterly despicable person. I usually end up throwing something at the TV and shouting at it in rage.
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2010 at 11:55
Yeah, I always hate agreeing with Pat but I find it very tough to believe you're serious Henry, if so....well you gotta sort some things out because none of it makes sense Tongue
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What's wrong with agreeing with me? I agree with me most of the time. 
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Sometimes I agree with you... Confused....Actually, I'm much less of a collectivist than you might think... You all have exaggerated my collectivism... I'm mostly collectivist in health care though... 

You agreeing with you is good Pat. We don't want to add cognitive dissonance to your list of attributes...Imagine being labeled insane AND insane... Tongue
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Sometimes I agree with you... Confused....Actually, I'm much less of a collectivist than you might think... You all have exaggerated my collectivism... I'm mostly collectivist in health care though... 

You agreeing with you is good Pat. We don't want to add cognitive dissonance to your list of attributes...Imagine being labeled insane AND insane... Tongue


I have never once exaggerated anything in my entire life, not even in the slightest.


Anyway, don't two insanes make a sane?
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Yeah, that was very late, I shouldn't have said libertarian. I said it because I'm pseudo-conservative but I disagree with the current Republican party on a lot of things, but that probably just makes me some kind of lame ass centrist.

Pat, what do you mean by "real insurance"?
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I lean libertarian, sort of, but I am in favor of that, f**k trans fat. I also think we should tax the sh*t out of soda. 
 
Guess I have to post this again (warning: impolite language):
Massive corn subsidies aren't going away, unfortunately, so I have to take what I can get. The only reason I want to ban trans fat is because it's horrible in absolutely every possible way and you lose nothing by getting rid of it except by maybe making things slightly more expensive. But when it is literally killing you then I don't see that as a problem. Although even the FDA is screwing with us on this since somehow .5 g per serving of trans fat equals zero trans fat. I don't want to ban soda or fast food, I also sometimes have it.

As for the video, yes, Mimi seems like a bit of a bitch, but I don't see how f**king with random people on hidden camera really proves anything. And no fast food is not cheaper than real food I don't know why people keep saying that. There was the same stupid thing in the (terrible and also anti-fast food) Food, Inc. Also that family's kids are totally going to get diabetes, they're only skinny now because they're lucky enough to have a high insulin resistance, but that's not going to last. And oh yes Penn, you say it just takes willpower to eat less, but then you had a whole episode about how obesity is primarily genetic? Hmmm. And yeah, I'm not overweight primarily because I also am lucky enough to have a high insulin resistance. But part of that is because my parents didn't have me drinking 60 ounces of soda per day. 

If you would like to watch a very long video, although I have to warn you that it's Mike-endorsed ;-), then I recommend this one.
Human beings are not built to consume as much sugar as we do today because it's pretty much poison.  It has to end sometime. 


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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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By real insurance I mean private, market driven insurance, not government run insurance. If it is the former then you are not forced to subsidize other people's life choices since

1) There is no force on the free market. If your insurance program did this, you could just drop it and elect a different provider or to have no insurance at all.

2) More importantly free market insurance works by partitioning people into a set of classes based on a variety of criteria. Different classes carry different risks associated with insuring them. The amount they are charged as a premium for their insurance varies directly with this associated risk. Therefore, you do not subsidize any behavior. This external economy is internalized by the higher premium these people pay. In addition to being fair, it also provides a disincentive for unhealthy behavior while rewarding healthy behavior.

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I agree that people consume too much sugar. Actually, it's worse because we consume HFCS instead of sugar. However, none of this justifies forcing people to stop their consumption habits. 


Edited by Equality 7-2521 - October 29 2010 at 17:15
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

What's wrong with agreeing with me? I agree with me most of the time. 


Just like you working for the government. Nothing wrong with it but still leaves me with a weird feeling.

Also Pat with a gvmt job
I work for a business, and depend largely on the charity of others.

OH LORD WHAT IS THIS??
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We need agents on the inside. I indoctrinate students with Anarcho-Capitalist political philosophy when they think they're learning value-free Calculus.

20 years from now the violent revolution begins..
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BTW 

Happy Halloween everyone.
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Best campaign sloagn this year, perhaps - "Less We Can" from Mark Grannis a Libertarian running for congress in Maryland's 8th district.  He won't win because, as I understand, the district is a Dem stronghold made up of government employees from DC but the mainpage of his website does give voters something to think about:

"If you're old enough to vote this year, then you're old enough to remember

  • a Democratic president with a Democratic Congress;

  • a Republican president with a Democratic Congress;

  • a Republican president with a Republican Congress; and

  • a Democratic president with a Republican Congress.

Taken together, these four periods exhaust all the ways power can be split between the two major parties in Washington.  What did all these periods have in common?  Government got bigger."



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I you suggest an alternative to the one party system you are an idealist/extremist/unaware of how politics work/a conspiracy theorist.
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Yes, I suggest a 21-party system like in my country! Tongue
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I you suggest an alternative to the one party system you are an idealist/extremist/unaware of how politics work/a conspiracy theorist.
 
 
You're not talking to me, right


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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Yes, I suggest a 21-party system like in my country! Tongue
 
 
Florida? LOL


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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Yes, I suggest a 21-party system like in my country! Tongue
 
 
Florida? LOL

Well, my country of origin... We had at one point an election in which the... paper you vote it (is it called ballot? I miss the word...) was ACTUALLY about 7 feet long...... LOLCry
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Yes, I suggest a 21-party system like in my country! Tongue
 
 
Florida? LOL

Well, my country of origin... We had at one point an election in which the... paper you vote it (is it called ballot? I miss the word...) was ACTUALLY about 7 feet long...... LOLCry


Ha, paper ballots. How "2000"
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