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Posted: October 27 2010 at 18:43
S~V~S wrote:
SaltyJon wrote:
I don't know, I've been building up my own suspicions and I must say Bea is not at the top of the list. I've been keeping a notepad document of the way everyone has voted on lynch polls, etc. and the data just doesn't add up to what you're saying IMO, S~V~S.
Could you please explain just how it doesn't add up~?
Using your spreadsheet info~ i would like to see how the facts disprove my instinctive analysis of my Best Friends behavior~
I also have my list of suspicions, and you are rapidly shooting to the top of said list
Bea takes her civvie civic responsibilitiees VERY seriously~and that is not the person playing this game.
I'll admit I don't know her as well as you do, but based on the voting behavior, bea+baddie doesn't work out so well. Sure, she voted J-Man this last time, but so did eight other people! Plus, for all we know you may be trying to mislead us about what she's like in other games. I don't have enough motivation to go searching for other forums you've all played together on to check, though.
Understand, everyone is under watch - I'm not counting ANYONE out until I'm absolutely sure they're not a baddie - that includes you as well.
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 20:20
S~V~S wrote:
Gee i can talk again. Someone has said they felt i am being repeatedly sileneced because someone thinks I am bad? Usually it is the opposite; civvies silence other civvies to protect them, and baddies silence civvies to get them out of the way. This game our silencer is a civvie~ I am not sure why they chose to silence me twice~ I am not sure why I would be a lynch target.
In any case, I spent this last silencing rereading and getting a better grip on the players, and the nuances of who seems to be talking to whom behind the scenes.
I am seeing Bea talking a lot, but not saying much of any substance. Generally her remarks are insighful and substantive; here her remarks are totally content free. But it was her votes and how she waited the last two lynches, ESPECIALLY the one prior to this last one.
She has been holding votes to save her people, a very Bea like thing to do. Bea has issues throwing people under the bus, especially noobs. If she was the Don of a team full of new players, she would be like their Mom, lol, protecting them, not utilizing them.
Sorry Honey, but you are bad. I just know it. I will pull quotes assuming I live through the night
I'm sorry you don't find my posts very sustantive - I keep trying to find my footing in this game and don't seem to be able to get it - I feel a bit like a noob myself when I'm trying to get to know so many strangers in one game. If you remember, In the rev games I tend to be much more quiet over there as well. You should know my play style changes when I'm not playing in my back yard with the same 20 people I've been playing regularly with for at least a year now.
I'm especially confused by by how my withholding my vote in the 4th lynch makes me look bad? Which baddie teammate was I trying to save? JJ - the person I initially voted for? Or DP - the person - who as I watched the vote go down - felt like a last minute desperate bandwagon attempt to save JJ? That lynch felt all kinds of weird while it was going down. You know and I know that I was blessed with actually being able to be home to see the end of it (a rare thing) - and it felt like a baddie plan - I said as much when I said I was holding my vote.
I had stronger civ feelings about DP than I did about JJ. I didn't want to see a person I thought was civ potentially lynched. When I went back and counted the number of people that needed to vote, I realized that if I voted for the person I thought most likely to be maifa at that time (JJ) - there was no chance the rest of his teammates would come in and lynch the person I thought was civ. How again is this not doing my civic duty?
Bea does have issues throwing people under a bus. Especially Noobs. And especially when she's all by her self and has only vauge and fuzzy ideas of which noob is on her team. But - you seem to forget - that Bea also has NO problem voting a teammate for civ cred. I think even the host could back me up on that. But think back yourself. Did I hold back and protect alex with my vote in JH? Did I hold back and protect RSM with my vote in the Meta game? (It was RSM that was on my team in that game right? She died just as I was subbing in - I think we had all of 4 *Squeeeee* we're on the same team messages.) And heck - in ceasar - I gleefully lynched my teammate to gain his kill power. Fact of the matter is - baddie bea has enough problems protecting her own hind end. I've told every single new person I've played baddie with to waste no time voting for me if they have to because I will do the same. It's smart game play. I saw what happened to our baddie team during the first pickles and jars game because you were standing up for me. It's a lesson I learned well.
And you are right - I am a mothering person by nature. Hence the reason I've been trying to ask people what they are thinking - who they are suspisious of - what their reasoning is. It's the info I am used to getting from others and my mother instincts tell me that the noob civs need help being pushed to talk because having not talked they aren't sure what to do. I've been trying to do just that since I joined the game. It breaks my heart that you think that makes me look bad.
"I Asyvw Rnxawcfbo Tohtrf Eaksp Allemnga Irthem Andq Nofqubj Eroamatt."
Joined: October 10 2010
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 21:14
SaltyJon wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
SaltyJon wrote:
I don't know, I've been building up my own suspicions and I must say Bea is not at the top of the list. I've been keeping a notepad document of the way everyone has voted on lynch polls, etc. and the data just doesn't add up to what you're saying IMO, S~V~S.
Could you please explain just how it doesn't add up~?
Using your spreadsheet info~ i would like to see how the facts disprove my instinctive analysis of my Best Friends behavior~
I also have my list of suspicions, and you are rapidly shooting to the top of said list
Bea takes her civvie civic responsibilitiees VERY seriously~and that is not the person playing this game.
I'll admit I don't know her as well as you do, but based on the voting behavior, bea+baddie doesn't work out so well. Sure, she voted J-Man this last time, but so did eight other people! Plus, for all we know you may be trying to mislead us about what she's like in other games. I don't have enough motivation to go searching for other forums you've all played together on to check, though.
Understand, everyone is under watch - I'm not counting ANYONE out until I'm absolutely sure they're not a baddie - that includes you as well.
What about her voting behavior doesn't add up? You are saying this, but you aren't saying why. You say you aren't counting anyone out, but it appears that you are counting Bea out. I would like to know why. Perhaps I am wrong, I am always the first to admit it when I am. I am very seriously considering trying to lynch Bea (assuming we both live through the night) , and if i am wrong, i would like to know why I shouldn't.
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 21:22
Bea wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Gee i can talk again. Someone has said they felt i am being repeatedly sileneced because someone thinks I am bad? Usually it is the opposite; civvies silence other civvies to protect them, and baddies silence civvies to get them out of the way. This game our silencer is a civvie~ I am not sure why they chose to silence me twice~ I am not sure why I would be a lynch target.
In any case, I spent this last silencing rereading and getting a better grip on the players, and the nuances of who seems to be talking to whom behind the scenes.
I am seeing Bea talking a lot, but not saying much of any substance. Generally her remarks are insighful and substantive; here her remarks are totally content free. But it was her votes and how she waited the last two lynches, ESPECIALLY the one prior to this last one.
She has been holding votes to save her people, a very Bea like thing to do. Bea has issues throwing people under the bus, especially noobs. If she was the Don of a team full of new players, she would be like their Mom, lol, protecting them, not utilizing them.
Sorry Honey, but you are bad. I just know it. I will pull quotes assuming I live through the night
I'm sorry you don't find my posts very sustantive - I keep trying to find my footing in this game and don't seem to be able to get it - I feel a bit like a noob myself when I'm trying to get to know so many strangers in one game. If you remember, In the rev games I tend to be much more quiet over there as well. You should know my play style changes when I'm not playing in my back yard with the same 20 people I've been playing regularly with for at least a year now.
I'm especially confused by by how my withholding my vote in the 4th lynch makes me look bad? Which baddie teammate was I trying to save? JJ - the person I initially voted for? Or DP - the person - who as I watched the vote go down - felt like a last minute desperate bandwagon attempt to save JJ? That lynch felt all kinds of weird while it was going down. You know and I know that I was blessed with actually being able to be home to see the end of it (a rare thing) - and it felt like a baddie plan - I said as much when I said I was holding my vote.
I had stronger civ feelings about DP than I did about JJ. I didn't want to see a person I thought was civ potentially lynched. When I went back and counted the number of people that needed to vote, I realized that if I voted for the person I thought most likely to be maifa at that time (JJ) - there was no chance the rest of his teammates would come in and lynch the person I thought was civ. How again is this not doing my civic duty?
Bea does have issues throwing people under a bus. Especially Noobs. And especially when she's all by her self and has only vauge and fuzzy ideas of which noob is on her team. But - you seem to forget - that Bea also has NO problem voting a teammate for civ cred. I think even the host could back me up on that. But think back yourself. Did I hold back and protect alex with my vote in JH? Did I hold back and protect RSM with my vote in the Meta game? (It was RSM that was on my team in that game right? She died just as I was subbing in - I think we had all of 4 *Squeeeee* we're on the same team messages.) And heck - in ceasar - I gleefully lynched my teammate to gain his kill power. Fact of the matter is - baddie bea has enough problems protecting her own hind end. I've told every single new person I've played baddie with to waste no time voting for me if they have to because I will do the same. It's smart game play. I saw what happened to our baddie team during the first pickles and jars game because you were standing up for me. It's a lesson I learned well.
And you are right - I am a mothering person by nature. Hence the reason I've been trying to ask people what they are thinking - who they are suspisious of - what their reasoning is. It's the info I am used to getting from others and my mother instincts tell me that the noob civs need help being pushed to talk because having not talked they aren't sure what to do. I've been trying to do just that since I joined the game. It breaks my heart that you think that makes me look bad.
You're an evil girl, Sweetness~ playing the "you're breaking my heart" card, lol~
You are protecting your fledglings~ I know you. On many levels you are the perfect mentor for a group of new players. You're patient, and loyal and you're a pitbull for your babies.
And that is the problem; in a game where everyone is your puppy, you are having problems letting them go and being cold with them.
The way you came into the game, and all of a sudden, a few people who hadn't been posting started, and you and those same people seemed very comfy together in thread..... plus the last few votes. Nice play for civve cred on the last one. Didn't work, at least not for me.
After we live through the night, I will put together a quotey post, I did a pretty deep reread, and also found some other interesting things
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 21:24
No, I'm not counting her out either. She's just not at the top of my list of suspects at the moment. A couple of the lynch polls didn't give any help really, but two of them in particular were helpful in me building my suspicions up. She didn't vote the same as my main suspects on either of them. I noticed in those two that the same people voted together, beyond that I'm not saying anything more until a later date.
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 21:44
S~V~S wrote:
Bea wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Gee i can talk again. Someone has said they felt i am being repeatedly sileneced because someone thinks I am bad? Usually it is the opposite; civvies silence other civvies to protect them, and baddies silence civvies to get them out of the way. This game our silencer is a civvie~ I am not sure why they chose to silence me twice~ I am not sure why I would be a lynch target.
In any case, I spent this last silencing rereading and getting a better grip on the players, and the nuances of who seems to be talking to whom behind the scenes.
I am seeing Bea talking a lot, but not saying much of any substance. Generally her remarks are insighful and substantive; here her remarks are totally content free. But it was her votes and how she waited the last two lynches, ESPECIALLY the one prior to this last one.
She has been holding votes to save her people, a very Bea like thing to do. Bea has issues throwing people under the bus, especially noobs. If she was the Don of a team full of new players, she would be like their Mom, lol, protecting them, not utilizing them.
Sorry Honey, but you are bad. I just know it. I will pull quotes assuming I live through the night
I'm sorry you don't find my posts very sustantive - I keep trying to find my footing in this game and don't seem to be able to get it - I feel a bit like a noob myself when I'm trying to get to know so many strangers in one game. If you remember, In the rev games I tend to be much more quiet over there as well. You should know my play style changes when I'm not playing in my back yard with the same 20 people I've been playing regularly with for at least a year now.
I'm especially confused by by how my withholding my vote in the 4th lynch makes me look bad? Which baddie teammate was I trying to save? JJ - the person I initially voted for? Or DP - the person - who as I watched the vote go down - felt like a last minute desperate bandwagon attempt to save JJ? That lynch felt all kinds of weird while it was going down. You know and I know that I was blessed with actually being able to be home to see the end of it (a rare thing) - and it felt like a baddie plan - I said as much when I said I was holding my vote.
I had stronger civ feelings about DP than I did about JJ. I didn't want to see a person I thought was civ potentially lynched. When I went back and counted the number of people that needed to vote, I realized that if I voted for the person I thought most likely to be maifa at that time (JJ) - there was no chance the rest of his teammates would come in and lynch the person I thought was civ. How again is this not doing my civic duty?
Bea does have issues throwing people under a bus. Especially Noobs. And especially when she's all by her self and has only vauge and fuzzy ideas of which noob is on her team. But - you seem to forget - that Bea also has NO problem voting a teammate for civ cred. I think even the host could back me up on that. But think back yourself. Did I hold back and protect alex with my vote in JH? Did I hold back and protect RSM with my vote in the Meta game? (It was RSM that was on my team in that game right? She died just as I was subbing in - I think we had all of 4 *Squeeeee* we're on the same team messages.) And heck - in ceasar - I gleefully lynched my teammate to gain his kill power. Fact of the matter is - baddie bea has enough problems protecting her own hind end. I've told every single new person I've played baddie with to waste no time voting for me if they have to because I will do the same. It's smart game play. I saw what happened to our baddie team during the first pickles and jars game because you were standing up for me. It's a lesson I learned well.
And you are right - I am a mothering person by nature. Hence the reason I've been trying to ask people what they are thinking - who they are suspisious of - what their reasoning is. It's the info I am used to getting from others and my mother instincts tell me that the noob civs need help being pushed to talk because having not talked they aren't sure what to do. I've been trying to do just that since I joined the game. It breaks my heart that you think that makes me look bad.
You're an evil girl, Sweetness~ playing the "you're breaking my heart" card, lol~
You are protecting your fledglings~ I know you. On many levels you are the perfect mentor for a group of new players. You're patient, and loyal and you're a pitbull for your babies.
And that is the problem; in a game where everyone is your puppy, you are having problems letting them go and being cold with them.
The way you came into the game, and all of a sudden, a few people who hadn't been posting started, and you and those same people seemed very comfy together in thread..... plus the last few votes. Nice play for civve cred on the last one. Didn't work, at least not for me.
After we live through the night, I will put together a quotey post, I did a pretty deep reread, and also found some other interesting things
which fledglings am I protecting? I am not on a team - I'm trying to find my team.
And yes- I am having problems letting go of all the fledgling puppies. All the cute new to mafia players who's personalities I've started to interact with in other threads. - How is it again that my wanting to help the noobs makes me bad?
You speak in generalities.
when night is over - if we both live - I hope to see your linkie post.
"I Asyvw Rnxawcfbo Tohtrf Eaksp Allemnga Irthem Andq Nofqubj Eroamatt."
Lizzy was at home,
working on an essay in her room while blasting Magma. Her neighbors grew so tired
of hearing that same bloody band all the time at incredible volumes, but they
grew even more tired of hearing her singing along with it. The music was so
loud that Lizzy actually couldn’t hear someone sneaking into her kitchen
downstairs. It was Damo. He first attempted to stealthily enter the
house through some fashion yet to be discovered, but gave up about ten seconds
later when he saw a baseball bat in the grass nearby. He immediately smashed the kitchen window and hurled himself into Lizzy’s house. He heard the music coming from her room upstairs and
thereafter made an attempt to conceal his presence.
In
a matter of seconds, the door was beaten to smithereens and Damo rushed over to
Lizzy, repeatedly beating her to
death with the baseball bat. He
then walked over to the stereo and smashed it to pieces, effectively shutting
off the music. He jumped out the 2nd story window and randomly
chucked the baseball bat as he sprinted down the street.
--------
Meanwhile,
S~V~S was hiking up her favorite trail
on the outskirts of the city. She needed a place where she could be alone with
her thoughts, and the scenery she could witness from the top of the trail was
simply sublime. What’s better than the great outdoors?
She
arrived at the top of the trail to see that the sun was just beginning to set.
The atmosphere was beautiful. Unfortunately, her viewing of the sunset was
interrupted by a flying projectile that nearly hit her in the head. She looked
at the fallen object: it was a drumstick. A drumstick? As she bent over to pick
it up, another one just barely missed her as it flew towards her with
tremendous speed. She examined the drumsticks to see that they had Robert Wyatt’s
signature on them.
Off
in the distance, Robert Wyatt cursed at the fact that his custom-built
drumstick mini-trebuchet device missed both times. “Damn! I suppose it needs a
few modifications…”
--------
nutella23 was in the
snack room at the record store, looking for nutella, but she couldn’t find
any. “HOW CAN WE NOT HAVE ANY?!!? I guess I’ll have to go to the store to get
some.” Robert Fripp entered the room and handed her a super secret special jar
of it. “Wow, thank you!”
He
walked out of the room and blocked the only door to the room with a gigantic guitar amp.
She opened up the jar but the label must have been misleading. This was not
nutella. As the lid came off, the jar let out a smelly gas that absolutely
pulverized her tongue. She wanted to yell but couldn’t.
--------
"Oh
yeah!” Damo yelled in happiness as Jaki
Liebezeit told him the good news.
“Congratulations, you have completed your mission.
As your final reward, the manager has recruited one individual to Can who can
assist you in your… activities. That person is waiting right outside, I’ll go
fetch them and let you two to talk. I’m sure you have plenty of matters to
discuss.”
--------
Lizzy was killed by Damo Suzuki.
S~V~S has survived a kill attempt by Robert Wyatt.
nutella23 has been silenced.
Damo has completed his mission and successfully recruited.
There were no missing PMs.
You have 48 hours to lynch someone.
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 22:47
Now that is an interesting night. Definitely plays off of some of what I think I know a bit more. There are some things I'm confused by, though (and one thing which I think has made itself clear for anyone who reads the info the same way I do). I'll only go into the two confusing things here; 1) How Wyatt had a kill (the person playing him won one of the quizzes/number guessing game, maybe?) and 2) Damo "recruiting" someone.
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 22:49
My My, what a busy night. RIPIYWG Nutella~
I will start getting my posts together and get them posted in the AM.
I am disappointed in you, Wyatt~ I have a fairly good idea whom you may be, and I was seeing a difference in your behavior the last few days. Now you try to kill me~ maybe you were civvie once, but I am wondering about that now Damo apparently has recruited, but I am fairly sure you were recruited a few days ago as well, hmmm?
The number was 72. I PMed the individual who won the challenge with their reward. PLEASE no discussion of whether you lost or won or anything in here; I just thought I would satisfy any curiosity.
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 23:18
So, Ms. S~V~S...care to explain how you survived that night-killing? I've got some solid theories building up, but I'd like to hear your side of things first.
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