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J-Man
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 07 2008 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7826 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 18:07 | |
It's a pretty simple concept: I checked out the album because it was free, I enjoy concept albums, and the samples sounded OK. I like heavy prog rock, and quite frankly, I went into the album expecting much better than what it turned out to be. I was proven wrong when my ears were graced with some really poor music. And just to clear things up, I don't care what other people think of an album when it comes to reviewing. I disagree with most PA reviewers on at least a few albums, and thus, I've don't let other people's reviews influence my own review. Again, to prove this, I will have everybody scroll down through the collaborator reviews of this album: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=13659 I'm one of TWO collaborators to rate the album with 5 stars. I love the album, and it just shows how much I care about the morons' opinions who ranked it with 1 or 2 stars. (just kidding, no offense intended to Scarsick-haters). |
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Snow Dog
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 16:39 | |
Thats Ok..I disagree with your reviews.
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sleeper
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 16:38 | |
I know, its the implication that most of the low rating comes from people that wouldn't noramlly like that kind of thing anyway (and a few people that tried and reviewed it wouldn't normally go for that kind of album) I was picking up on, I just pointed out that those that would listen to this kind of music didn't like it either.
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Conor Fynes
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 11 2009 Location: Vancouver, CA Status: Offline Points: 3196 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 16:38 | |
From what I've heard of the new Problem of pain... its definately an improvement..
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harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 16:32 | |
^ I didn't go so far as to imply that the music is good and it just didn't fit your tastes, I wouldn't know that. I didn't listen to it. From the descriptions I gathered it's a mediocre / submediocre heavy rock / prog thing, and with that in mind I wrote my post.
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sleeper
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 16:32 | |
Personally, I dont trust the album reviews in the CRPP magazine, I've disagreed with far too many of them in the past to put much stock in what they say.
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sleeper
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 16:28 | |
I dont quite buy that (though its definitely an element) as people like Jeff, Teo and myself would normally quite happely listen to this kind of music, if it's done well, yet all three of us have given it a 1 star review. In my review I planely stated that the lyrics were the main reason for the 1 star, but even based on the music its still only a 2.
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J-Man
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 07 2008 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7826 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 16:01 | |
Thanks to this thread, Torman Maxt has gotten two more reviews - both of which are 1 star ratings!
It's amazing how negative hype really does indeed give more exposure. |
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Catcher10
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17845 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 11:30 | |
I listened to it and also felt a 3 was good.....I don't review like you guys do, but in my mind that is the max. And agree the "sound" is better.
BTW....I have since deleted part 1 and 2 from my collection and also removed it from my Zune player.
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UMUR
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3069 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 11:13 | |
We´re looking forward to the review T.
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 10:56 | |
By the way, I've heard "The Problem of Pain Part 2". I can certainly agree is an improvement over its predecessor. The recording is not that great (the drums are too much up front), the vocals are ok, but the drummer seems to have taken a lesson or two (still not great but not so weak). The music itself is still somewhat derivative but it certainly sounds more like an album by a band and not ... well, whatever. This would receive a 2.5/3 over 5.
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 10:51 | |
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Catcher10
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17845 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 10:49 | |
Exactly.....Torman Maxt owes you an appology T and sales commission on the 4 purchases due to this thread.
If the albums are refunded, you should still keep the commish!
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 10:36 | |
Your post makes a lot of sense. Though my anti-affiliation with avant-garde is less strong now (though avant-garde rock still bothers me a little) and my feelings towards prog-metal are cooler... But your point is good. And as I've said, the ratings are normal. In other sites you had one person reviewing the album, in this one many, many people of different musical tastes... Nobody can deny we've popularized the album though, as JLocke proved...
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infandous
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 23 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2447 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 09:23 | |
Well, had I not heard about this "controversy" recently, I would never have bothered to even try the album out. Now I guess I will, seeing that it's free and all.
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JLocke
Prog Reviewer Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 06:24 | |
Well, I just forced myself to sit through the band's first release, and I found it excruciating. Wrote a review all about it. That's not even the controversial one. I'll get to that one tomorrow, I guess. I'll be honest, after hearing the first album, I'm dreading listening to any more. But I've got to try to see if that particular album has any redeeming qualities to it. They could have improved between those two releases.
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tuxon
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 05:40 | |
just goes to show, there's no bad press
product controversy creates awareness of said product
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JLocke
Prog Reviewer Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 05:23 | |
Well, that's it. The album is now on the top of my to-listen list.
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Snow Dog
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 05:11 | |
^ It got a good review in Classic Rock according to the interview though.
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harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 05:09 | |
@Olav: I don't find it surprinsing at all that there's a major difference between PA ratings and the ratings from other sites. The results of submitting for review a product to 1) free-to-all reviewing places with a diverse demographic and 2) well targeted independent reviewers will always be very different in the case of a product with such traits as this particular music album.
I mean, on PA there are "prog-fans", but there are also people interested only in classic prog and not in its modern revivals, people interested in hardcore avantgarde, in the indie scene, in the extreme metal music, etc. What happened here is that, like tuxon also explained, this album's public history attracted reviewers from different niches than that of its own. Normally here every album gets reviewed mostly by those who are interested in it in the first place and the average rating settles according to its niche; and such occasions when the site creates missed encounters like that of (to quote just some famous cases ) The T with avantgarde, Rocktopus with prog-metal, or Certif1ed with post-rock, etc., well those are normally just exceptions to an otherwise "natural" social phenomenon. I'm not surprised that TM's album in discussion got OK/good ratings from targeted prog sites and zines. But if every site on the internet, from all corners of the spectrum of taste, would have reviewed the album, I guess the average rating would have been similar to that of PA. I don't suppose they sent the album to NME, Pitchfork, NPR and all the indie sites... |
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