Torman Maxt

It might ne true that many people heard the album because of the controversy. Otherwise, many people wouldn't even have known such an album and band existed. 

It isn't crap, it's rather good. And I hate God.

Edited by Snow Dog - October 20 2010 at 11:05

The T wrote: It might ne true that many people heard the album because of the controversy. Otherwise, many people wouldn't even have known such an album and band existed.  That doesn't take away from the fact that the album is very close to being a complete piece of crap.

This is probably the tenth time you called the album a complete piece of crap. And that they STINK and SUCK etc... and that this is a fact as well. (Thought you were one of those relativists that think its all a matter of taste?)

You do understand that Torodd inteviewed human being, and that this human being is probably reading all of this? If so, is it really necessary to aggressively insult his music and his band in every single post you make here?

Epignosis wrote: The T wrote: Epignosis wrote: So I think what you're trying to say, T, is that The Problem of Pain Part 1 is not a good album? ... I'm just upset with some people "righteousness" here.. Suddenly we have some moral avengers trying to tell us that we did an non-objective job. I don't need any "judges". If they are so hurt with Maxt's low rating in PA, I guess maybe PA is a place where they might feel uncomfortable?  The Problem of that album, as I say in that review, is the pain generated by the listening experience.  But I still can't wait for PART II !!!  I already bought it.  I thought it was good.

The T wrote: Epignosis wrote: The T wrote: Epignosis wrote: So I think what you're trying to say, T, is that The Problem of Pain Part 1 is not a good album? ... I'm just upset with some people "righteousness" here.. Suddenly we have some moral avengers trying to tell us that we did an non-objective job. I don't need any "judges". If they are so hurt with Maxt's low rating in PA, I guess maybe PA is a place where they might feel uncomfortable?  The Problem of that album, as I say in that review, is the pain generated by the listening experience.  But I still can't wait for PART II !!!  I already bought it.  I thought it was good. Didn't know it was out. Better than the first one?

Absolutely, but I don't know if you'll think so.

Only $4.99 by the way.


Edited by Epignosis - October 20 2010 at 11:22

The T wrote: Don't get too human with me now Rocktopus. You feel free to call people things yet now you are thinking on this guy's heart and psyche and feelings? Please.

I never get as personal as you do, and although I've managed to piss you off several times, I don't feel free to "call people things" at all.

J-Man wrote: sleeper wrote: Catcher10 wrote: Well I read the whole interview and actually went over a few parts 2-3x to make sure I understood. For whatever its worth like I said I downloaded both albums and gave an overview listen last night.   My first impression was the production quality of the new album part 2 is much better than than part 1. Once I noticed that then I started doing song/album comparisons and this was a glaring issue with part 1.   My personal impression of the drummer on the first album was the production effort I think hurt him badly, as I think in the 2nd album it "sounds" better.....Does he play better? Don't know...but sounds better.   I just feel this band is a side project for all the members, like Tony states, he's an architect and seems busy taking care of his clients and I am sure the other members are trying to take care of their familes with work and Torman Maxt is not 100% a dedicated project and unfortunately for these 2 albums it shows.   But I don't really have a problem with that, as long as I know this going in.   2 Stars IMHO. My 2 cents everyone...... Thats a poor excuse as most prog bands are made up of people with full time jobs outside of music. It certainly doesnt hurt Anekdoten now, does it? Exactly. I know that one of the guys in Echolyn (Chris Buzby) is a school teacher on the weekdays, Alan Morse is a businessman, etc. etc. Just because the band isn't their full-time job doesn't mean that they can't still make good music.

Snow Dog wrote: Catcher10 wrote: J-Man wrote: sleeper wrote: Catcher10 wrote: Well I read the whole interview and actually went over a few parts 2-3x to make sure I understood. For whatever its worth like I said I downloaded both albums and gave an overview listen last night.   My first impression was the production quality of the new album part 2 is much better than than part 1. Once I noticed that then I started doing song/album comparisons and this was a glaring issue with part 1.   My personal impression of the drummer on the first album was the production effort I think hurt him badly, as I think in the 2nd album it "sounds" better.....Does he play better? Don't know...but sounds better.   I just feel this band is a side project for all the members, like Tony states, he's an architect and seems busy taking care of his clients and I am sure the other members are trying to take care of their familes with work and Torman Maxt is not 100% a dedicated project and unfortunately for these 2 albums it shows.   But I don't really have a problem with that, as long as I know this going in.   2 Stars IMHO. My 2 cents everyone...... Thats a poor excuse as most prog bands are made up of people with full time jobs outside of music. It certainly doesnt hurt Anekdoten now, does it? Exactly. I know that one of the guys in Echolyn (Chris Buzby) is a school teacher on the weekdays, Alan Morse is a businessman, etc. etc. Just because the band isn't their full-time job doesn't mean that they can't still make good music.   Guys I totally agree....I know tons of artists don't rely on music as only form of income....and I am not making an excuse for them. I have listened to each album over the past 3 days and I do agree it is barely worthy of 2 stars. I was simply expanding on what Tony mentioned in the interview, and as I stated due to this not being a full time project, it shows! You guys bring up another question surrounding this in that are they as talented as Anekdoten or Echolyn? Of course not.....   This thread needs to end....the point has been made by many, the albums seem to be deserving of nothing above a 2. Teo was spot on....period.   Three.

I am too quick for my typing......

infandous wrote: I have found this whole thread quite fascinating. I've been visiting this site since at least 2005 (member since 2007 I think) and I was completely unaware of any controversy over this album, and I visit the forums and front page almost daily.  I do remember seeing a lot of 1 and 2 stars reviews for it though. For my part, however, it was reading the 8/10 review on DPRP that convinced me the album was not for me (good reviews help me figure out if an album is for me or not, regardless of whether or not the reviewer liked it).  After that, the consistently low ratings here just confirmed my decision.  Though reading all this makes me want to hear what all the fuss is about, which I may do (or at least I'll check out the samples). All in all, a very good interview.

@Olav: I don't find it surprinsing at all that there's a major difference between PA ratings and the ratings from other sites. The results of submitting for review a product to 1) free-to-all reviewing places with a diverse demographic and 2) well targeted independent reviewers will always be very different in the case of a product with such traits as this particular music album.

I mean, on PA there are "prog-fans", but there are also people interested only in classic prog and not in its modern revivals, people interested in hardcore avantgarde, in the indie scene, in the extreme metal music, etc. What happened here is that, like tuxon also explained, this album's public history attracted reviewers from different niches than that of its own. Normally here every album gets reviewed mostly by those who are interested in it in the first place and the average rating settles according to its niche; and such occasions when the site creates missed encounters like that of (to quote just some famous cases ) The T with avantgarde, Rocktopus with prog-metal, or Certif1ed with post-rock, etc., well those are normally just exceptions to an otherwise "natural" social phenomenon.

I'm not surprised that TM's album in discussion got OK/good ratings from targeted prog sites and zines. But if every site on the internet, from all corners of the spectrum of taste, would have reviewed the album, I guess the average rating would have been similar to that of PA. I don't suppose they sent the album to NME, Pitchfork, NPR and all the indie sites...