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AtomicCrimsonRush 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 02 2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 14258 |
 Posted: October 17 2010 at 17:06 |
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great song idea you inspired me into:
Working Taxman
(a hybrid of Taxman and Working Man)
WORKING TAXMAN 1,2,3,4,1,2 (cough)
(killer Rush riff) I get up at seven, yeah Let me tell you how it will be, ‘Cause I’m the Taxman, I guess that's what I am Should five per cent appear too small, ‘Cause I’m the Taxman, They call me the working man
(over Lifeson's awesome lead break)
(If you drive a car ), I’ll tax the street, Don’t ask me what I want it for If you don’t want to pay some more Now my advice for those who die, (Taxman!) ‘Cause I’m the Taxman, And you’re working for no-one but me, I guess that's what I am |
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: October 17 2010 at 17:08 |
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Ok now for an encore the '2112' epic merged with the entire 'Abbey Road' B side...........
er. perhaps not on second thoughts.
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uduwudu
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Posted: October 17 2010 at 17:13 |
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  Excellent re-interpretation. Very timely as my evil, twisted and sadly un-assassinated government have increrased our Grab, Snatch and Take (a.k.a. G.S.T.) taxes....Speaking of killer Rush riffs, that medley that kicks off R30 is hard to beat for riffs. It positiviely bristles with killer Rush rifferola. |
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: October 17 2010 at 18:26 |
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I agree! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ about the riffs that is....
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: October 17 2010 at 19:10 |
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Hey, what happened to my sig -0@G Genesis Foxtrot is crushed!
Or it is just my computer?
anyway great thread love it keep it up
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Catcher10
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Posted: October 17 2010 at 22:14 |
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Bea
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 01:49 |
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@ alex - oh - :( why must you hurt me so??? *cries* @ rushfan4 - well played right there. :)
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"I Asyvw Rnxawcfbo Tohtrf Eaksp Allemnga Irthem Andq Nofqubj Eroamatt."
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Bea
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 01:52 |
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this is soooo full of awesome... I can't even... omg. *blush* |
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"I Asyvw Rnxawcfbo Tohtrf Eaksp Allemnga Irthem Andq Nofqubj Eroamatt."
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JLocke
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 01:58 |
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He's actually changed his mind considerably since then. He even put The White Album at the number one spot on an essential listening list he made recently. So, dry those tears.
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Conor Fynes
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 02:11 |
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I can't believe the Beatles are actually winning...
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JLocke
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 02:26 |
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Then, maybe you're on the wrong website?
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 12:46 |
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He - Conor - is right, it's a prog rock forum, Rush is supposed to be winning.
Beatles are just proto prog. That the polling is somewhat close is itself reflective of the user profile of the forum. In a general rock website, Beatles would have been way ahead, I guess. |
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JLocke
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 13:49 |
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But most people like myself recognize that without The Beatles, there most likely would have been no Rush. So I believe the votes are being made not just on which band is preferred, but which band was more important in the grand scheme of things.
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Conor Fynes
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 14:43 |
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I don't really think the Beatles influenced Rush all that much... Led Zeppelin is Rush's biggest influence without a doubt. The world of music would be a different place without the Beatles, but the same can be said for Rush as well... The Beatles have one or two 'progressive' albums. The rest are just collections of catchy (albeit well written) 2 minute songs. |
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JLocke
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 14:54 |
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But those few progressive albums were among the first. If the same four men had stayed together longer, I have no real doubt that they would have broken even more ground. And this is a fact: without The Beatles there would be no Yes. And Yes certainly played a role in Rush's development and sound. It all connects. There is nothing wrong with voting for Rush. I can clearly see why you would. All I'm saying is that your shock over the way the poll is going kind of confuses me, since on average, prog fans hold The Beatles in as much high esteem as traditional rock fans do: maybe even more so.
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Catcher10
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 15:46 |
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^ I personally believe the Fab Four would have not done much better than what they had already done.....Music was already changing by the time they quit. I do agree that their sound would have been very much like Wings.....which was a good soft rock band, but nothing more.
The Beatles had way too much personal issues to make any kind of go at it for another 4-5 yrs. I kinda think the reverse in that had they stuck it out and not quit their relevance might have been damaged and they would not be on such a high pedestal today.
But this is all a guessing game right now......what we do know is the complete body of Yes, PF and Genesis. Yes and Genesis completed their career circle I think....and it is a wonderful circle.
Rush is not done.
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JLocke
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 17:14 |
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John thought a lot of Paul's earlier output after he left the Beatles was ''rubbish''. I doubt very seriously that The Beatles would have sounded anything like Wings had they kept on. John's raw, defiant, occasionally avant-garde approach to songwriting would have seeped into the music, as would have George Harrison's Indian vibe. Of course music was changing by the time they ended it, but you imply that music was somehow moving on without them. I disagree. Abby Road was lauded at the time for being revolutionary and fresh just like all the other Beatles works of that era (except for maybe Let It Be, for obvious reasons). That was the last album they ever worked on completely as a band, and it was brilliant. You're underestimating the abilities of those men, I do believe. And by the way, this isn't in any way a slight to Rush. I love Rush. I just think The Beatles were more important to the evolution of music in the long run. Which is why I picked them.
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Catcher10
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 17:49 |
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So did John think Paul's work was "rubbish"?? Not sure I get the first sentence.
I think the Beatles were turning into individualists before they quit.......As you state John was more "raw" and more avant-garde......George may have moved to India, SE Asia......Ringo probably would have joined or created another band and put out some decent stuff as Paul had done or maybe Paul and Ringo would have created a new band.
I don't underestimate their capabilities at all, and I was not implying that music was/were leaving them behind. I actually think they would have left the pop music scene on their own and been that more avant-garde group you mention. Legions of fans would have kept their bills paid but I think eventually fans would have been swayed to the hard rock/metal scene of the late 70's into 80's.
And I still think by then they would have hung it up way before then.
I only know about the Beatles what I have read (I was born in '64...never got into them at all), and what I gather is that music just was not that important to them....as say The Rolling Stones, I think music was all they wanted to do and do as best they could.
I don't know if I blame it on fame/fortune.........I personally blame it on their individual sense of music and person, I agree with you, they were different in their music thinking...but ultimately that to me pulled them apart. As I said before, I don't even know why they quit.....
In no way do I compare Rush and The Beatles, but we will disagree in who has more influence from a progressive rock music perspective on todays artists. Rush will NEVER be mentioned as the greatest band or influence on rock or pop music like the Beatles are.....I think the body of work for both speak for themselves.
I will always prefer Rush over the Beatles.......I think even if I had got into the Beatles that would still be the case......the core of my music soul is hard driving rock music...its why I love The Who from that era and not The Beatles.
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Fred.H
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 18:11 |
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I vote The Beatles.
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JLocke
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 18:14 |
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Well, I agree with you that the band would have eventually ended regardless, but my projection of their potential future was all hypothetical. I'm speaking in terms of how far their influences reach. I'm much younger than you, but I seem to know more about this band simply because their music has been in my life ever since I can remember. And I've read the books, bought the behind-the-scenes videos and records, watched interviews, etc. and I can tell you that music meant the world to them. What else to do you think mattered to them more? Money? Big houses? You're talking about them as if they had the mentality of a modern pop singer. That simply isn't how it was back then. Do you know why the Mono releases of Beatles albums were so highly desired prior to their release on CD? Because the mono editions were when the band members themselves would be in the studio, during the mixing stage, giving notes, doing additional overdubs, etc. They cared a great deal about their music, and the artistic integrity of the final product. They were making statements that were important, and they wanted to make sure their listeners heard them. Comparing the botched stereo mixes next to the mono, it's very easy to tell which versions had the artist's hands involved. Of course, what I'm saying about The Beatles you could easily say about Rush, because you're the more well-informed person in that respect. But please don't assume that The Beatles were just some talented guys who lost their way with fame and fortune. That just wasn't how it happened. Near the end, egos got in the way, that is true. But even when they made their last recording, Abbey Road, the magic was very present in the music. If music wasn't the most important thing to them, they wouldn't have been able to set aside their petty differences and focus their efforts in that way. I think The Beatles are more influential simply because they came before Rush, and comparatively-speaking, The Beatles had a greater musical evolution over their career. Many prog bands we both likely enjoy would not be who they are today had it not been for The Beatles. We're talking tons of classic prog acts that predate Rush's inception. I just don't see how you can honestly say that Rush is responsible for more prog music than The Beatles. Modern prog music, no question. Heavy prog music even more specifically, but The Beatles came onto the scene at a time when very few similar acts were around, and none were as well-known. That's a starting point, as far as I'm concerned. Returning to the source is all I'm doing, here. There wouldn't be a Dream Theater without Rush, but their wouldn't be a Rush OR Dream Theater without Beatles. And that's all I'll say.
 I realize we are simply holding two differing opinions, here. Edited by JLocke - October 18 2010 at 18:17 |
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AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
