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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2010 at 22:39
So what's new in this thread? Rob having too much beer, JLocke feeling every word is out to get him, and Textbook making strange generalizations? 

I just have to start pulling unverifiable data out of my ass and we have a perfectly normal PA thread... Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2010 at 22:51
JLocke: I'm going to start a thread about pollution, but you're not allowed to mention air.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2010 at 23:12
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

JLocke: I'm going to start a thread about pollution, but you're not allowed to mention air.

Death can be talked about without an argument about religion starting up. We managed it for six whole pages. If you wanna chat about the afterlife, make your own thread. Don't pollute mine when I've already asked plainly for you not to. That's all I'm saying. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2010 at 23:13
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

So what's new in this thread? Rob having too much beer, JLocke feeling every word is out to get him, and Textbook making strange generalizations? 

I just have to start pulling unverifiable data out of my ass and we have a perfectly normal PA thread... Tongue

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2010 at 23:14
I'm just teasing you there ;)

But you know, I don't think you can really talk about death with about bringing up the afterlife. Which is not the same thing as religion but it's very closely related.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2010 at 23:24
^ Well, I suppose. It's not like I did much better at keeping the peace earlier. Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2010 at 01:32
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Well you know, there's always that "choice" in movies where the hero has to pick between his kid and his wife. I've never really gotten that, the child is obviously the correct choice. Children are the future.


I think it could be called a "logical" or "rational" choice ... but somehow I don't like the word "correct" in this situation, since at least to a certain degree it applies some kind of approval of the situation. I think that there may be situations where no "correct" choice can be made. The correct thing to do would be to not make a choice at all, but it is not available.


Let's be realistic. If you're a female, of course you'll choose the child. Childbearing is a large risk for you as well as a monumental investment, while finding a willing mate is rarely a trying task. For a man, however, much of the risk is in wooing a mate. Finding a new mate could prove deadly, and childrearing is a major drag on that task. You'd have one guaranteed offspring, but when the mate could replace it threefold, the odds-on favourite is the full-grown one. Therefore, as a male, you'd probably be more inclined to save the mate.

If you would make any other decision, nature is already well on its way to weeding you out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2010 at 01:49
^ Darwinism is not a guide for morality.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2010 at 02:38
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Darwinism is not a guide for morality.


You said "logical" or "rational", so I gave you the rational response. Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2010 at 04:13
I don't think killing your offspring is rational.
I simply say that barring "special conditions", children should survive over adults.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2010 at 06:30
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

The world isn't an emotional process, it's a physical one. However they both need the other because physical prosperity without emotional joy is worthless. You don't want your child merely to survive, but also to be happy. The two priorities need to go hand in hand.

 
What I observe though is that many people find the practical/physical side of things which requires logic to understand and react to appropriately, just too much damn work and they give a much greater priority to their emotions, for which they need to do no work at all to appreciate. And we end up with all kinds of destructive silliness as a result.
You are taking a giant leap. And I'm not sure I understand the 'world as process' metaphor. Anyway - rationality and emotions don't always conflict, so it's not a battle between the two of them, where you have to make a conscious priority and 'divide' them equally. They are two very different areas of 'cognition'. Emotional behaviour can be rational as well as irrational. In the case we were discussing yesterday, I argued that it was in fact rational to grieve. I think you simplify and underestimate the status of emotions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2010 at 07:37
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

So what's new in this thread? Rob having too much beer, JLocke feeling every word is out to get him, and Textbook making strange generalizations? 

I just have to start pulling unverifiable data out of my ass and we have a perfectly normal PA thread... Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2010 at 08:31
Do you think this thread will ever die? LOL
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2010 at 09:12
Snipping, snipping, snipping goes the scissor man (XTC)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2010 at 09:45
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Darwinism is not a guide for morality.


Neither is anything else, objectively.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2010 at 16:04
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

I don't think killing your offspring is rational.
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This is a fantastic quote taken out of context. It should be on my tombstone.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2010 at 20:26
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Darwinism is not a guide for morality.


Neither is anything else, objectively.


Everything is nothing. Including nothing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2010 at 20:34
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:



Everything is nothing. Including nothing.

Don't forget that nothing is everything. Wink

Also none of this exists, we are all figments of our own imaginations which don't really exist either because we don't really exist...


Edited by Slartibartfast - October 14 2010 at 20:35
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2010 at 21:19
In order to allay the suicidal atmosphere, I suggest the name of the thread be changed to Breasts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2010 at 21:22
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:



Everything is nothing. Including nothing.

Don't forget that nothing is everything. Wink

Also none of this exists, we are all figments of our own imaginations which don't really exist either because we don't really exist...


Nothing exists anyway, as far as we know. The only thing we know definitively is that we exist as pure thought, (as Descartes said).
Outside of that...well you may be just a brain floating in a vat, being fed false sensations right now!
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