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Hercules
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:57 |
Vinyl beyond any doubt.
On really excellent equipment (I use a Pink Triangle Anniversary TT with an SME V arm and Lyra Lydian cartridge) needle noise is not generally intrusive (except on worn/damaged albums) and the music sounds sensational - clear, analytical and natural.
I have archived most of my collection onto metal/superchrome cassettes (yes, that old format) and my own recordings off vinyl sound far better than the same CDs do.
I suspect most peoples' experience of vinyl is on cheap and nasty decks and they can sound pretty horrible. But try a Projekt, Rega or similar deck and you'll start to see what I mean. If you are able to buy something like my deck (Linn, Nottingham Analogue, Roksan or similar), your mind will be blown.
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ergaster
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:00 |
Snow Dog wrote:
ergaster wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
king wrote:
Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
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You are wrong. |
Then you've never heard good vinyl.
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I have. |
You think you have.
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Doesn't really matter what you say. I always have and always will prefer CD. After suffering vinyl for so many years I was glad to see the back of them. |
Well of course it doesn't matter--it is all personal preference after all. but still....
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Snow Dog
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:01 |
ergaster wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
ergaster wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
king wrote:
Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
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You are wrong. |
Then you've never heard good vinyl.
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I have. |
You think you have.
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Doesn't really matter what you say. I always have and always will prefer CD. After suffering vinyl for so many years I was glad to see the back of them. |
Well of course it doesn't matter--it is all personal preference after all.
but still....
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Glad to hear a vinyl lover admit that.
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MonsterMagnet
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:33 |
Vinyl (I have around 130 vinyls and 30 CD...)
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Gandalff
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:43 |
Other. Phonograph cylinder.
Edited by Gandalff - October 11 2010 at 13:32
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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Klogg
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:45 |
Cassete!
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Nathaniel607
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:45 |
Hercules wrote:
and my own recordings off vinyl sound far better than the same CDs do.
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Surely, this proves that it's all in audiophiles' heads? I mean, why ON EARTH would direct rips from vinyls on to CDs that are COMPLETLY unoptimized for the format sound better than actual mastered version? I'm thought this for a while and what I'm hearing on this thread just further cements that belief. Anyways, CDs/320kb. Both sound perfect to my ears. FLACS are nice, but I can't afford multiple terabytes of hard drive space for my music collection .
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Gandalff
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:46 |
And what about MCs? I own about 130 pieces somewhere down in my case...
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:52 |
Frequent anaylisis of a MP source song. (note the drop outs of the song at the end but some of the higher sounds are inaudible to human ears).
Frequence analysis of a .Wav of the same song.
Edited by Alberto Muñoz - October 11 2010 at 12:54
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:02 |
I prefer CD and FLAC, in fact, FLAC is one of the best way to keep records fine.
Some 16 bit or 24 bit DVD remasters of albums are great.
A 24/96 DVD A can kick T******* to a Vinyl without problem.
I hate Vinyls, in the past and before the cd's i have cassettes and vinyls and i hate the way that have to be handle, they scratch and damage easily, also they have the problem of taking care of the cover art... and finally the decks, what a mess to protect them, i have only bad experiences of hearing music of a vinyl, they look fine as a piece of art rather than to hear music.
Example: For years i have to hear Fireball with a fuzz of scratch and when the cd arrives, that what's the first time that i hear it full blown.
APE and SHN are good as well.
MP3 only of 128 to 320.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:11 |
For vinyl to sound great:
1. Need a first pressing. 2. Needs to be on non-recycled vinyl. 3. Needs to be played on expensive equipment.
And yet...
1. Dynamic range is still limited. 2. Surface noise is ever-present 3. Quality degrades every single time the needle runs across the surface 4. Dust accumulation. 5. Effects of gravity during storage.
A CD, on the other hand, sounds as perfect today as the day it rolled out of the factory in 1985.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:18 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
5. Effects of gravity during storage.
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I haven't pulled out a vinyl record in a few years now, but some of the ones that one of my bosses salvaged that went underwater had indeed flattened a little on the bottom. There were some that hadn't been out of the sleeve since I copied them to cassette.
Edited by Slartibartfast - October 11 2010 at 13:20
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Hercules
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:26 |
Nathaniel607 wrote:
Hercules wrote:
and my own recordings off vinyl sound far better than the same CDs do.
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Surely, this proves that it's all in audiophiles' heads? I mean, why ON EARTH would direct rips from vinyls on to CDs that are COMPLETLY unoptimized for the format sound better than actual mastered version?
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Read my post more carefully - the recordings I made were on cassette, not CD. The vinyl sourced, self-recorded cassettes sound far better than the commercial CDs.
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A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:29 |
Hercules wrote:
Nathaniel607 wrote:
Hercules wrote:
and my own recordings off vinyl sound far better than the same CDs do.
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Surely, this proves that it's all in audiophiles' heads? I mean, why ON EARTH would direct rips from vinyls on to CDs that are COMPLETLY unoptimized for the format sound better than actual mastered version?
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Read my post more carefully - the recordings I made were on cassette, not CD. The vinyl sourced, self-recorded cassettes sound far better than the commercial CDs.
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I just don't believe it.
Edited by Snow Dog - October 11 2010 at 13:29
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:30 |
Hercules wrote:
[QUOTE=Nathaniel607] [QUOTE=Hercules]
Read my post more carefully - the recordings I made were on cassette, not CD. The vinyl sourced, self-recorded cassettes sound far better than the commercial CDs.
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Not true , especially with 16/44 remastering.
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:31 |
Hercules, put some spectral analysis of your recorder cassettes and put a spectral of a "comercial CD" of the artist that you want.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:32 |
Hercules wrote:
Nathaniel607 wrote:
Hercules wrote:
and my own recordings off vinyl sound far better than the same CDs do.
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Surely, this proves that it's all in audiophiles' heads? I mean, why ON EARTH would direct rips from vinyls on to CDs that are COMPLETLY unoptimized for the format sound better than actual mastered version?
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Read my post more carefully - the recordings I made were on cassette, not CD. The vinyl sourced, self-recorded cassettes sound far better than the commercial CDs.
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Let me get this straight... you take a sound on a crackly, hiss and surface noise filled format with a limited dynamic range and then place a second generation copy onto a format with an even more limited range and additional hiss. Then, you say it sounds better than crystal-clear digital perfection. Yeah, and I'm Batman.
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:33 |
A lossless file will show a good definition picture, the colours slowly cross-fading ones into others:
A lossy sourced file will give something like that:
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clarke2001
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:37 |
I love vinyl for reasons I don't need to explain to vinyl fans. I won't debate analog vs digital sounds, but vinyl has the charm because of the great art, and a listening ritual and pleasure of record spinning.
However, I voted for other, since this poll is oriented on various digital formats.
My preferred format is mp3 with variable bit rate. I won't say it's better than other formats, I just like it.
Honorable mentions go to:
1. Cassette. I'm the child of the 80's, and I've been discovering the world of music on my double-decker boombox. (ITT-Nokia!)
2. Reel-to-reel tape. When you're recording music, the pleasure at looking at reels spinning and vu-meters jumping in the rhythm of your music is beyond description.
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:41 |
clarke2001 wrote:
I love vinyl for reasons I don't need to explain to vinyl fans. I won't debate analog vs digital sounds, but vinyl has the charm because of the great art, and a listening ritual and pleasure of record spinning.
However, I voted for other, since this poll is oriented on various digital formats.
My preferred format is mp3 with variable bit rate. I won't say it's better than other formats, I just like it.
Honorable mentions go to:
1. Cassette. I'm the child of the 80's, and I've been discovering the world of music on my double-decker boombox. (ITT-Nokia!)
2. Reel-to-reel tape. When you're recording music, the pleasure at looking at reels spinning and vu-meters jumping in the rhythm of your music is beyond description.
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Ah the Reel to Reel, i almost forgot what pleasure do the VU meters i used to have a TEAC series of those.
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