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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:57
Vinyl beyond any doubt.

On really excellent equipment (I use a Pink Triangle Anniversary TT with an SME V arm and Lyra Lydian cartridge) needle noise is not generally intrusive (except on worn/damaged albums) and the music sounds sensational - clear, analytical and natural.

I have archived most of my collection onto metal/superchrome cassettes (yes, that old format) and my own recordings off vinyl sound far better than the same CDs do.

I suspect most peoples' experience of vinyl is on cheap and nasty decks and they can sound pretty horrible. But try a Projekt, Rega or similar deck and you'll start to see what I mean. If you are able to buy something like my deck (Linn, Nottingham Analogue, Roksan or similar), your mind will be blown.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:00
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by ergaster ergaster wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by king king wrote:

Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
 


You are wrong.


Then you've never heard good vinyl.
I have.


You think you have.

Smile

Doesn't really matter what you say. I always have and always will prefer CD. After suffering vinyl for so many years I was glad to see the back of them.


Well of course it doesn't matter--it is all personal preference after all. 

but still....Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:01
Originally posted by ergaster ergaster wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by ergaster ergaster wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by king king wrote:

Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
 


You are wrong.


Then you've never heard good vinyl.
I have.


You think you have.

Smile

Doesn't really matter what you say. I always have and always will prefer CD. After suffering vinyl for so many years I was glad to see the back of them.


Well of course it doesn't matter--it is all personal preference after all. 

but still....Wink

Glad to hear a vinyl lover admit that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:33
Vinyl (I have around 130 vinyls and 30 CD...)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:43
Other. Phonograph cylinder.LOL


Edited by Gandalff - October 11 2010 at 13:32
A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:45
Cassete!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:45
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

and my own recordings off vinyl sound far better than the same CDs do.


Surely, this proves that it's all in audiophiles' heads? I mean, why ON EARTH would direct rips from vinyls on to CDs that are COMPLETLY unoptimized for the format sound better than actual mastered version? I'm thought this for a while and what I'm hearing on this thread just further cements that belief.

Anyways, CDs/320kb. Both sound perfect to my ears. FLACS are nice, but I can't afford multiple terabytes of hard drive space for my music collection Tongue.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:46
And what about MCs? I own about 130 pieces somewhere down in my case...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:52
another mp3-sourced file
 
Frequent anaylisis of a MP source song. (note the drop outs of the song at the end but some of the higher sounds are inaudible to human ears).
 
wav file
 
Frequence analysis of a .Wav of the same song.


Edited by Alberto Muñoz - October 11 2010 at 12:54




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:02
I prefer CD and FLAC, in fact, FLAC is one of the best way to keep records fine.
 
Some 16 bit  or 24 bit DVD remasters of albums are great.
 
 
A 24/96 DVD A can kick  T*******    to a Vinyl without problem.
 
 
 
I hate Vinyls, in the past and before the cd's i have cassettes and vinyls and i hate the way that have to be handle, they scratch and damage easily, also they have the problem of taking care of the cover art... and finally the decks, what a mess to protect them, i have only bad experiences of hearing music of a vinyl, they look fine as a piece of art rather than to hear music.
 
Example: For years i have to hear Fireball with a fuzz of scratch and when the cd arrives, that what's the first time that i hear it full blown.
 
 
APE and SHN are good as well.
 
MP3 only of 128 to 320.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:11
For vinyl to sound great:

1. Need a first pressing.
2. Needs to be on non-recycled vinyl.
3. Needs to be played on expensive equipment.

 And yet...

1. Dynamic range is still limited.
2. Surface noise is ever-present
3. Quality degrades every single time the needle runs across the surface
4. Dust accumulation.
5. Effects of gravity during storage.

A CD, on the other hand, sounds as perfect today as the day it rolled out of the factory in 1985.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:18
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:


5. Effects of gravity during storage.

I haven't pulled out a vinyl record in a few years now, but some of the ones that one of my bosses salvaged that went underwater had indeed flattened a little on the bottom.  There were some that hadn't been out of the sleeve since I copied them to cassette.


Edited by Slartibartfast - October 11 2010 at 13:20
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:26
Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

and my own recordings off vinyl sound far better than the same CDs do.


Surely, this proves that it's all in audiophiles' heads? I mean, why ON EARTH would direct rips from vinyls on to CDs that are COMPLETLY unoptimized for the format sound better than actual mastered version?


Read my post more carefully - the recordings I made were on cassette, not CD. The vinyl sourced, self-recorded cassettes sound far better than the commercial CDs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:29
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

and my own recordings off vinyl sound far better than the same CDs do.


Surely, this proves that it's all in audiophiles' heads? I mean, why ON EARTH would direct rips from vinyls on to CDs that are COMPLETLY unoptimized for the format sound better than actual mastered version?


Read my post more carefully - the recordings I made were on cassette, not CD. The vinyl sourced, self-recorded cassettes sound far better than the commercial CDs.

I just don't believe it.



Edited by Snow Dog - October 11 2010 at 13:29
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:30
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

[QUOTE=Nathaniel607] [QUOTE=Hercules]

Read my post more carefully - the recordings I made were on cassette, not CD. The vinyl sourced, self-recorded cassettes sound far better than the commercial CDs.
 
Not true , especially with 16/44 remastering.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:31
Hercules, put some spectral analysis of your recorder cassettes and put a spectral of a "comercial CD" of the artist that you want.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:32
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

and my own recordings off vinyl sound far better than the same CDs do.


Surely, this proves that it's all in audiophiles' heads? I mean, why ON EARTH would direct rips from vinyls on to CDs that are COMPLETLY unoptimized for the format sound better than actual mastered version?


Read my post more carefully - the recordings I made were on cassette, not CD. The vinyl sourced, self-recorded cassettes sound far better than the commercial CDs.


Let me get this straight... you take a sound on a crackly, hiss and surface noise filled format with a limited dynamic range and then place a second generation copy onto a format with an even more limited range and additional hiss. Then, you say it sounds better than crystal-clear digital perfection.

Yeah, and  I'm Batman.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:33
A lossless file will show a good definition picture, the colours slowly cross-fading ones into others:
 
Lossless_SA
 
A lossy sourced file will give something like that:
 
Lossy_SA




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:37
I love vinyl for reasons I don't need to explain to vinyl fans. I won't debate analog vs digital sounds, but vinyl has the charm because of the great art, and a listening ritual and pleasure of record spinning.

However, I voted for other, since this poll is oriented on various digital formats.

My preferred format is mp3 with variable bit rate. I won't say it's better than other formats, I just like it.

Honorable mentions go to:

1. Cassette. I'm the child of the 80's, and I've been discovering the world of music on my double-decker boombox. (ITT-Nokia!)

2. Reel-to-reel tape. When you're recording music, the pleasure at looking at reels spinning and vu-meters jumping in the rhythm of your music is beyond description.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:41
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

I love vinyl for reasons I don't need to explain to vinyl fans. I won't debate analog vs digital sounds, but vinyl has the charm because of the great art, and a listening ritual and pleasure of record spinning.

However, I voted for other, since this poll is oriented on various digital formats.

My preferred format is mp3 with variable bit rate. I won't say it's better than other formats, I just like it.

Honorable mentions go to:

1. Cassette. I'm the child of the 80's, and I've been discovering the world of music on my double-decker boombox. (ITT-Nokia!)

2. Reel-to-reel tape. When you're recording music, the pleasure at looking at reels spinning and vu-meters jumping in the rhythm of your music is beyond description.


 
Ah the Reel to Reel, i almost forgot what pleasure do the VU meters i used to have a TEAC series of those.




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