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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2010 at 22:10
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Subject:  Reality message to socialists

This morning, I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by batteries I bought because for the third time this month, the power went out and I was sick of it.

I did not take a shower because I am unemployed still and after 10 months can't give a damn about my smell or general appearance.

After that, I turned on the TV to watch Jerry Springer, but I have to imagine what is said (and what the boobies look like) because of the FCC.  My program is completely interrupted because the local news services feels it is an emergency that one of NASA's satellites is missing screw.

I watched this while making my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food, but was disgusted to find a mouse in my loaf of bread.  No toast for me, I suppose. I take drugs determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration as I think about how my father might still be alive today had the FDA not prevented patients from obtaining life-saving medications.

At the appropriate time, as regulated by my watch, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile, which has been recalled by Toyota (or BMW or Fisher-Price) and set out to drive on the roads built and maintained by the local, state, and Federal Departments of Transportation.  I don't know where I'm going really, as I said, because I'm unemployed.  I guess I like admiring the roads.

On the way, I stop to purchase additional coffee of a quality level determined by 7-11, and forgo buying fuel because it is too expensive for me.  A lady scratching off a lotto ticket with one hand and her ass with the other is complaining about the price gouging of gasoline, despite having just bought a coffee right before me that has a markup of an astronomical amount. 

To pay, I use legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank, who is partly to blame for my sister and brother-in-law nearly losing their home.  On the way out the door, I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the Congressionally-regulated US Postal Service (who destroyed my vintage collection of prog vinyls I'd sold for $300 on eBay, admitted the problem was theirs but refused to compensate me because I did not pay $30 to buy their insurance at the time of mailing) and drop my kids off at our local government-owned and Department of Education mandated public school, where they will be forced to learn about gay penguins and the material on a test they will take in 7 months that will determine if they shall pass or fail, not that it matters because they will be told they should have good self-esteem no matter how poorly they perform on anything in their lives.

After work, I push my NHTSA-approved car back home on the DOT maintained roads, to the house which has not burned down in my absence because I didn't leave candles lit next to a pile of dry newspapers.  My valuables are safe because thieves don't care about Beanie Babies and Treasure Trolls.  And if they did, I would try to shoot them with my grandfather's revolver.

I then log on to the Internet, which was developed by Al Gore, and sit on Prog Archives and bitch about conservatives who want our government to stop dragging us further into debt while squandering so much of our damn money.


Touche.  I could do the accent mark but the government hasn't provided me with one yet. Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2010 at 22:11
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Now we have Senators crafting "anti-bullying" legislation because some idiot killed himself over online bullying.  Naturally I don't approve of such behaviour, but must every tragedy result in legislation?   Are we going to have police monitoring chat rooms?   Jenny suing Maria because she cut her wrists over a mean Facebook posting? 

I'm sorry, but if you kill yourself over an incident of web meanies, it's your fault, not the bully.  Take some responsibility and grow up.  At least for adults.  And for kids, how bout if the parents actually deal with their kid's web-surfing problems instead of the Internet Meanies Police or US Senators. 

With all the critical economic and foreign policy issues, Senators are worrying about this?



Because they have nothing better to do and want to capture the public's short attention span with an act they are currently focuses on. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 01:51
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

25K wouldn't buy you the club, but it could be used to "entice" a club official or two to change the bylaws in your favour.


I know we differ on a number of issues Dean, but you must really have a low opinion of me if you think I would compromise the integrity of my newly created club by taking bribes.
Heaven fordend I would suggest such a thing, he's only donating a few bucks to build you an Equality lounge bar and you changing the club rules is a mere coincidence.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 08:28
I just saw a blogpost on Mises.org about the fire case your brought up Dean, different from the one I was referring to. I thought his insights where nice.

Originally posted by Jeffrey Tucker Jeffrey Tucker wrote:


I don’t get this debate at all. It is not even a real debate. The fire-protection services were government services. The fee in question was a government-mandated fee. The county lines in which the fee was applicable is a government-drawn line that is completely arbitrary. The policy of not putting out the fire was a government policy enforced by the mayor. As he said, in the words of a good bureaucrat, “Anybody that’s not in the city of South Fulton, it’s a service we offer, either they accept it or they don’t.”

So why is the market being criticized here? This was not a real market. Instead, this is precisely what we would expect from government. In a real market, there is no way that a free-enterprise fire service would have refused to provide the homeowner service. They would be in business to provide that service. The fire would have been put out and he would have been charged for the service. It is as simple as that. It is the same as lawn-mowing services or plumbing services or any other type of service. Can we know for sure that the market would provide such services? Well, if insurance companies have anything to say about it, such services would certainly be everywhere.

As it was, the fire burned down as a result of government policy, a refusal of service because the homeowners did not pay what amounted to a tax! The poor homeowner begged for help and offered to pay. He had paid the year before and the year before, so his credit was good. Even so, the bureaucracy refused! (The whole thing reminds me of a scene from Gangs of New York.)

A market doesn’t just mean fee-for-service. The government cannot mimic the marketplace by merely setting prices on its services. A free market means that producers are responsible to consumers in a world of private property and free exchange. Why is this so difficult to understand?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 17:08
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I just saw a blogpost on Mises.org about the fire case your brought up Dean, different from the one I was referring to. I thought his insights where nice.

Originally posted by Jeffrey Tucker Jeffrey Tucker wrote:


I don’t get this debate at all. It is not even a real debate. The fire-protection services were government services. The fee in question was a government-mandated fee. The county lines in which the fee was applicable is a government-drawn line that is completely arbitrary. The policy of not putting out the fire was a government policy enforced by the mayor. As he said, in the words of a good bureaucrat, “Anybody that’s not in the city of South Fulton, it’s a service we offer, either they accept it or they don’t.”

So why is the market being criticized here? This was not a real market. Instead, this is precisely what we would expect from government. In a real market, there is no way that a free-enterprise fire service would have refused to provide the homeowner service. They would be in business to provide that service. The fire would have been put out and he would have been charged for the service. It is as simple as that. It is the same as lawn-mowing services or plumbing services or any other type of service. Can we know for sure that the market would provide such services? Well, if insurance companies have anything to say about it, such services would certainly be everywhere.

As it was, the fire burned down as a result of government policy, a refusal of service because the homeowners did not pay what amounted to a tax! The poor homeowner begged for help and offered to pay. He had paid the year before and the year before, so his credit was good. Even so, the bureaucracy refused! (The whole thing reminds me of a scene from Gangs of New York.)

A market doesn’t just mean fee-for-service. The government cannot mimic the marketplace by merely setting prices on its services. A free market means that producers are responsible to consumers in a world of private property and free exchange. Why is this so difficult to understand?



( I gathered it was a municipal fire service from the first news report I read and I thought I had implied that in my previous post). I don't know if I'd got quite so far as call Jeffery Tucker's thoughts insights, but it's certainly a different slant than most other pundits have been spouting.
 
The fire department in question is a municipal department that provides a tax-based service for people in its own local catchment area and subscription-based service for the neighbouring area. The failing was not the difference between state, private or state-pretending-to-be-private service, nor was it that they were trying to run two incompatible systems simultaneously - one point I tried to make in my previous post was that this arrangement has been in effect for 20 years without problem.
 
I wouldn't call the subscriptions "tax" just because they got paid to a state run fire department, anymore than I would call the subscriptions to Triple-A "private tax" just because it gets paid to a private organisation, or anymore than I would call either of them "insurance" in the accepted meaning of the term.
 
Just a thought prompted by Tucker's 2nd paragraph ... (and this isn't a loaded question because I genuinely do not know the answer) - does Triple-A provide ad hoc (pay for use) roadside assistance to non-members?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 17:42
The real issue for me was that the firemen were there at the house and they stood by and let the house burn down for lack of payment of a $75 yearly fee and they were legally required to.  If I were a fireman, I would have said to hell with the law let's help these people.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 18:00
^ I think it unfair to blame the firemen (who, some reports claim, were physically sickened by having to stand by and watch it burn) for not risking losing their jobs over this - blame starts with the chain of command that put them in that situation - where it goes from there is dependant on your ideology and political persuasion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 18:16
I also heard that one of the sons attacked the firechief physically.  A messed up situation whatever the facts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 23:38
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I just saw a blogpost on Mises.org about the fire case your brought up Dean, different from the one I was referring to. I thought his insights where nice.

Originally posted by Jeffrey Tucker Jeffrey Tucker wrote:


I don’t get this debate at all. It is not even a real debate. The fire-protection services were government services. The fee in question was a government-mandated fee. The county lines in which the fee was applicable is a government-drawn line that is completely arbitrary. The policy of not putting out the fire was a government policy enforced by the mayor. As he said, in the words of a good bureaucrat, “Anybody that’s not in the city of South Fulton, it’s a service we offer, either they accept it or they don’t.”

So why is the market being criticized here? This was not a real market. Instead, this is precisely what we would expect from government. In a real market, there is no way that a free-enterprise fire service would have refused to provide the homeowner service. They would be in business to provide that service. The fire would have been put out and he would have been charged for the service. It is as simple as that. It is the same as lawn-mowing services or plumbing services or any other type of service. Can we know for sure that the market would provide such services? Well, if insurance companies have anything to say about it, such services would certainly be everywhere.

As it was, the fire burned down as a result of government policy, a refusal of service because the homeowners did not pay what amounted to a tax! The poor homeowner begged for help and offered to pay. He had paid the year before and the year before, so his credit was good. Even so, the bureaucracy refused! (The whole thing reminds me of a scene from Gangs of New York.)

A market doesn’t just mean fee-for-service. The government cannot mimic the marketplace by merely setting prices on its services. A free market means that producers are responsible to consumers in a world of private property and free exchange. Why is this so difficult to understand?



( I gathered it was a municipal fire service from the first news report I read and I thought I had implied that in my previous post). I don't know if I'd got quite so far as call Jeffery Tucker's thoughts insights, but it's certainly a different slant than most other pundits have been spouting.
 
The fire department in question is a municipal department that provides a tax-based service for people in its own local catchment area and subscription-based service for the neighbouring area. The failing was not the difference between state, private or state-pretending-to-be-private service, nor was it that they were trying to run two incompatible systems simultaneously - one point I tried to make in my previous post was that this arrangement has been in effect for 20 years without problem.
 
I wouldn't call the subscriptions "tax" just because they got paid to a state run fire department, anymore than I would call the subscriptions to Triple-A "private tax" just because it gets paid to a private organisation, or anymore than I would call either of them "insurance" in the accepted meaning of the term.
 
Just a thought prompted by Tucker's 2nd paragraph ... (and this isn't a loaded question because I genuinely do not know the answer) - does Triple-A provide ad hoc (pay for use) roadside assistance to non-members?
 

His point is valid that people are running with this as a failure of private fire protection, when the company involved was a public one.

I agree it's not a literal tax since it isn't forcibly collected.

I don't know if they do. I don't believe so, but other institutions exist for that. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 18:15
Bump. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 19:19
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:



His point is valid that people are running with this as a failure of private fire protection, when the company involved was a public one.

My point was that private fire protection wouldn't function any differently.  Well, OK they might put your fire out, send you a huge bill, and bankrupt you when you didn't pay up.  Of course when you didn't pay, they'd send you to a privately owned for profit prison where you would then serve a slave labor.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 20:04
Bump again.  I'd like to know the opinions of those who visit this thread on the following...
 
My work week, this previous week (including this weekend, because when you do this crap weekends are meaningless):
 
M,T,W:  8 hours
Th:  9 hours
Fri:  13 hours
Sat:  9 hours
Sun:  10 hours
 
65 hours total.
 
For what it's worth, the Sat/Sun hours were concurrent, i.e., went to work at 3:00 PM on Saturday, came home on Sunday at 10:00 AM (19 hour shift), hence no Drunken Saturday Night Poll this week, though I did start some serious beer drinking at 10:30AM today.
 
Now I am an exempt employee, meaning there is no overtime compensation...in fact there is no compensation beyond my normal 40 hours worth of pay.  I will not see even 1 cent of compensation for the hours worked.
 
It's not like I can take off 24 hours next week to compensate.  Next week will probably be the same, except I'm assuming I will be fired on Friday so no work next weekend.  I don't often quote gospel tunes, but...
 
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That exempt crap foisted upon us by de gu'ment at the behest of their corporate overlords was/is truly a loss for the working man.
 
I know, I'm grumpy.  I've been up for 36 hours straight and the beers are settling in.  I'm so tired...   
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 23:40
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:



His point is valid that people are running with this as a failure of private fire protection, when the company involved was a public one.

My point was that private fire protection wouldn't function any differently.  Well, OK they might put your fire out, send you a huge bill, and bankrupt you when you didn't pay up.  Of course when you didn't pay, they'd send you to a privately owned for profit prison where you would then serve a slave labor.

It would probably put out the fire and charge you for it. Why should anything different happen?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 23:41
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Bump again.  I'd like to know the opinions of those who visit this thread on the following...
 
My work week, this previous week (including this weekend, because when you do this crap weekends are meaningless):
 
M,T,W:  8 hours
Th:  9 hours
Fri:  13 hours
Sat:  9 hours
Sun:  10 hours
 
65 hours total.
 
For what it's worth, the Sat/Sun hours were concurrent, i.e., went to work at 3:00 PM on Saturday, came home on Sunday at 10:00 AM (19 hour shift), hence no Drunken Saturday Night Poll this week, though I did start some serious beer drinking at 10:30AM today.
 
Now I am an exempt employee, meaning there is no overtime compensation...in fact there is no compensation beyond my normal 40 hours worth of pay.  I will not see even 1 cent of compensation for the hours worked.
 
It's not like I can take off 24 hours next week to compensate.  Next week will probably be the same, except I'm assuming I will be fired on Friday so no work next weekend.  I don't often quote gospel tunes, but...
 
OH HAPPY DAY (Edwin Hawkins Singers version)
 
That exempt crap foisted upon us by de gu'ment at the behest of their corporate overlords was/is truly a loss for the working man.
 
I know, I'm grumpy.  I've been up for 36 hours straight and the beers are settling in.  I'm so tired...   
 
 
 
 
 
 

I work more than 65 hours every week and go to school full time. What's your point?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 02:12
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:



His point is valid that people are running with this as a failure of private fire protection, when the company involved was a public one.

My point was that private fire protection wouldn't function any differently.  Well, OK they might put your fire out, send you a huge bill, and bankrupt you when you didn't pay up.  Of course when you didn't pay, they'd send you to a privately owned for profit prison where you would then serve a slave labor.

It would probably put out the fire and charge you for it. Why should anything different happen?
Earlier in this thread (long before this incident in Tennessee) you mentioned a private FD in Montana (maybe) that let a property burn to the ground because of non-payment, even though the owner offered to pay. So that response from an FD in a subscription service is acceptable regardless of who owns or manages the FD, and given that we have two examples so far and no one (in the internet news feeds and blogs) has mentioned a case where ad hoc payment was accepted, we can assume that this is the norm not the exception. This isn't a failure of private vs. public companies, but of subscription-based fire fighting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 02:28
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I work more than 65 hours every week and go to school full time.


incredible, Pat, I admire that.  I don't envy it, but I admire it. 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 07:55
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:



His point is valid that people are running with this as a failure of private fire protection, when the company involved was a public one.

My point was that private fire protection wouldn't function any differently.  Well, OK they might put your fire out, send you a huge bill, and bankrupt you when you didn't pay up.  Of course when you didn't pay, they'd send you to a privately owned for profit prison where you would then serve a slave labor.

It would probably put out the fire and charge you for it. Why should anything different happen?
Earlier in this thread (long before this incident in Tennessee) you mentioned a private FD in Montana (maybe) that let a property burn to the ground because of non-payment, even though the owner offered to pay. So that response from an FD in a subscription service is acceptable regardless of who owns or manages the FD, and given that we have two examples so far and no one (in the internet news feeds and blogs) has mentioned a case where ad hoc payment was accepted, we can assume that this is the norm not the exception. This isn't a failure of private vs. public companies, but of subscription-based fire fighting.

I don't think it's a failure of subscription-based fire fighting. You're seeing an incredibly small market which is crippled by government interference. As such, its business practices haven't exactly  been optimized. 
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I work more than 65 hours every week and go to school full time.


incredible, Pat, I admire that.  I don't envy it, but I admire it. 





You just do what you gotta do to get bye. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 08:31
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


I don't think it's a failure of subscription-based fire fighting. You're seeing an incredibly small market which is crippled by government interference. As such, its business practices haven't exactly  been optimized. 
I'll agree that it is an incredibly small market, but don't know if it is crippled by gov. interference or whether these examples indicate that at all. From what I have read of private FDs in the USA they are feeling the pinch because business is down due to the mild summer and their biggest complaint is unfair competition from public fire departments. Of course it depends on what is meant by "unfair competition" - certainly public depts are better funded and better resourced and don't need a secondary income stream to stay in business¹, but in a competitive marketplace you would have that imbalance of competition from any large corporation.
 
 
 
 
¹ One of the problems faced by many of the private fire services I've read about is that there aren't enough subscribers in the area they can practically cover to keep them fully employed and not enough ad hoc business to supliment that income, so they have to diversify onto other areas such as sewage collection (which means more capital expendature of course - can't use the same trucks for both jobs ... unless your customer refuses to pay LOL).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:23
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:



His point is valid that people are running with this as a failure of private fire protection, when the company involved was a public one.

My point was that private fire protection wouldn't function any differently.  Well, OK they might put your fire out, send you a huge bill, and bankrupt you when you didn't pay up.  Of course when you didn't pay, they'd send you to a privately owned for profit prison where you would then serve a slave labor.

It would probably put out the fire and charge you for it. Why should anything different happen?

Something different should happen because in order to stay in business, grow and make a profit the private fire department are probably the ones who set the fire in the first place.
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