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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 11:17
Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:

Libertarcians? Sex scenes? 

Must be only with prostitutes, after all Libertarians have to have their precious free market.

A true 100% prostitute free market eliminates the figure of the pimp... So we're a long way from there... Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 11:29
Hey, if the pimps can't compete in a free market its not my problem.  Let 'em join the army or rent roads to people, You gon' like dis here "ro".  She Smooth.  She ain give you no trouble.  $50 a'ight?"

In a true free market we're all pimps.  

Now I'll just sit back and wait for Slarti to make a Gladys Knight joke.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 12:08
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:

Libertarcians? Sex scenes? 

Must be only with prostitutes, after all Libertarians have to have their precious free market.

A true 100% prostitute free market eliminates the figure of the pimp... So we're a long way from there... Tongue


Not true. A pimp is a valuable service to a prostitute. It has been shown that pimp's reduce abuse suffer by prostitutes and raise their profit margin.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 15:46
I don't think so. Quite the opposite, if we're to believe movies and media (my only contact with that world really).

Won't you all agree that is unbelievable that the US is the only place in the civilized world where prostitution is illegal? (sans Nevada)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 15:58
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Won't you all agree that is unbelievable that the US is the only place in the civilized world where prostitution is illegal? (sans Nevada)
 
Rob, I didn't know we could take a deduction on gambling losses. That does not seem like socially responsible behavior to me. Although I can't say the IRS website was very helpful for explaining it to me.


Edited by Henry Plainview - October 04 2010 at 16:02
if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 16:31
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Won't you all agree that is unbelievable that the US is the only place in the civilized world where prostitution is illegal? (sans Nevada)
 
Rob, I didn't know we could take a deduction on gambling losses. That does not seem like socially responsible behavior to me. Although I can't say the IRS website was very helpful for explaining it to me.


Busted, T. I notice your precious Sweden isn't so civilized now.  Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 17:17
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Won't you all agree that is unbelievable that the US is the only place in the civilized world where prostitution is illegal? (sans Nevada)
 
Rob, I didn't know we could take a deduction on gambling losses. That does not seem like socially responsible behavior to me. Although I can't say the IRS website was very helpful for explaining it to me.


Busted, T. I notice your precious Sweden isn't so civilized now.  Tongue

Damn! OuchOuchOuchOuchOuchOuch

That was an epic fail. Better check my sources next time. Though being a good lawyer I could say that, proportionally, the US rejects the right to sexual freedom for the most people in the world... Tongue

So, it seems South America is more advanced than the western world in that regard! Check the map... 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 17:26
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Won't you all agree that is unbelievable that the US is the only place in the civilized world where prostitution is illegal? (sans Nevada)
 
Rob, I didn't know we could take a deduction on gambling losses. That does not seem like socially responsible behavior to me. Although I can't say the IRS website was very helpful for explaining it to me.


Busted, T. I notice your precious Sweden isn't so civilized now.  Tongue

Damn! OuchOuchOuchOuchOuchOuch

That was an epic fail. Better check my sources next time. Though being a good lawyer I could say that, proportionally, the US rejects the right to sexual freedom for the most people in the world... Tongue

So, it seems South America is more advanced than the western world in that regard! Check the map... 




Prostitution =/= more advanced

Also, South America isn't part of the Western world?

lol




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 17:33
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Won't you all agree that is unbelievable that the US is the only place in the civilized world where prostitution is illegal? (sans Nevada)
 
Rob, I didn't know we could take a deduction on gambling losses. That does not seem like socially responsible behavior to me. Although I can't say the IRS website was very helpful for explaining it to me.


Busted, T. I notice your precious Sweden isn't so civilized now.  Tongue

Damn! OuchOuchOuchOuchOuchOuch

That was an epic fail. Better check my sources next time. Though being a good lawyer I could say that, proportionally, the US rejects the right to sexual freedom for the most people in the world... Tongue

So, it seems South America is more advanced than the western world in that regard! Check the map... 




Prostitution =/= more advanced

Also, South America isn't part of the Western world?

lol



Not of what is generally called as "the west". Actually, parts of Europe are in the center and is considered "the west" anyway.. I was talking in reference to that. 

Prostitution =/= more advanced, wrong choice of words. Prostitution = freer. South America out-libertarianizes the US on this... WinkTongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 17:37
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I don't think so. Quite the opposite, if we're to believe movies and media (my only contact with that world really).

Won't you all agree that is unbelievable that the US is the only place in the civilized world where prostitution is illegal? (sans Nevada)


You should think so, because it's true. Unless you trust movies and media over science.

It's believable given the religious/cultural foundation of the country. It's stupid though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 17:39
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Won't you all agree that is unbelievable that the US is the only place in the civilized world where prostitution is illegal? (sans Nevada)
 
Rob, I didn't know we could take a deduction on gambling losses. That does not seem like socially responsible behavior to me. Although I can't say the IRS website was very helpful for explaining it to me.
"However, the amount of losses you deduct may not be more than the amount of gambling income reported on your return" ~ Ho-ho, that's classic LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 18:03
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I don't think so. Quite the opposite, if we're to believe movies and media (my only contact with that world really).

Won't you all agree that is unbelievable that the US is the only place in the civilized world where prostitution is illegal? (sans Nevada)


You should think so, because it's true. Unless you trust movies and media over science.

It's believable given the religious/cultural foundation of the country. It's stupid though.

To which Rob would reply "'science'? So you put all your trust in men in coats..."

Tongue

No, if science says so, I believe it. I really haven't dug into the subject any deeper than toe-level... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 18:10
Prostitution Science.  Nerdy research geeks lined up out the door and around the block wearing nothing but lab coats.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 18:19
I'm sure libertarians will like this story... A gift for them... Tongue


THE TAX SYSTEM EXPLAINED IN BEER

Suppose that every evening, 10 men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to R100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this :-

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay R1.
The sixth would pay R3.
The seventh would pay R7.
The eighth would pay R12.
The ninth would pay R18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay R59.

So, that's what they decided to do....... The 10 men drank in the bar every evening and were quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner said,
"Since you are all such good customers, I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by R20".

Drinks for the 10 men would now cost just R80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the R20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realised that R20 divided by six is R3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

Therefore, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing.
The sixth now paid R2 instead of R3 (33% saving).
The seventh now paid R5 instead of R7 (28% saving).
The eighth now paid R9 instead of R12 (25% saving).
The ninth now paid R14 instead of R18 (22% saving).
The tenth now paid R49 instead of R59 (16% saving).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a rand out of the R20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,"but he got R10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a rand too. It's unfair - he got 10 times more benefit than me!"
"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get R10 back, when I got only R2? The wealthy always win!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists, labour unions and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.


For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 19:04
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 19:07
^ That's appallingly bad maths - R2+R5+R9+R14+R49 = R79 ... they still owe the barkeep R1
 
 
It's also terribly bad economics - I hope whoever dreamt up that "example" isn't involved in the economy of any country or major businesses - or worse still, teaching or advising anyone (since that would proliferate the error even more). And if anyone doesn't understand that, then no explanation will help.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 19:45
Actually in the end there is nothing that will keep the wealthy from showing up and screwing us up the butt.
And guess who's really beating up who anyway?:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/regional/s_702494.html
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 20:28
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ That's appallingly bad maths - R2+R5+R9+R14+R49 = R79 ... they still owe the barkeep R1
 
 
It's also terribly bad economics - I hope whoever dreamt up that "example" isn't involved in the economy of any country or major businesses - or worse still, teaching or advising anyone (since that would proliferate the error even more). And if anyone doesn't understand that, then no explanation will help.

The math error is noted but irrelevant. What is the economics error though?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 20:32
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Actually in the end there is nothing that will keep the wealthy from showing up and screwing us up the butt.
And guess who's really beating up who anyway?:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/regional/s_702494.html

If the company was telling employees to tamper with methane monitors, then the workers are just as culpable as the company in my opinion. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 23:08
Meh.

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