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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 11:42
More central.  He hates the term Red Ed.  A shame really.  A move to the left is what they actually need.

However, he's much better than David Miliband.  He wants to unite the party in voting for AV as well.  I'm also very pleased he's taken that stance on the illegal war.  Fair play to him.  If it stirs up the rest of the party, so what?  We need someone a little more his own man/woman.

Ed Miliband wouldn't have been my choice though.  Having said that, none of them would have been.  If Jon Cruddas had become leader, then I'd have been happy but he didn't stand in the end.

What worries me though is, where have all the lefties gone?  Why is the Labour Party going away from the left?

It worries me that barely anyone is of a more left-persuasion now, except the old guard.  In fact, I'm pretty sure I heard Tony Benn say he doesn't class himself as left-wing either!

Hmm.


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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 11:48
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

A return to the left, or a shuffle to the centre?
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Oh and I've just found out David Miliband is taking a back seat and not putting his name down for a cabinet position.

As much as I am not really keen on his politics, I do think he should have had a place on the cabinet.
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I was reading a bit on the "emergency budget" - does the Chancellor of the Exchequer recommend a budget that is then voted on in Parliament, similar to how we operate here?
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

I was reading a bit on the "emergency budget" - does the Chancellor of the Exchequer recommend a budget that is then voted on in Parliament, similar to how we operate here?


Emergency budgets are generally only used, as this year, when there is a change of government. It's the new lots way of telling the old lot what a bunch of arseholes they are and what a mess they left.

It is decided upon in the same way as ordinary budgets - presented to The House of Commons as a draft bill, amended and debated in committee stages, and then kicked upstairs to The House of Lords (who cannot vote it out), amended further, then presented again to The Commons, who vote on the final bill and any further amendments. The final bill then goes to our beloved Queen Brenda to sign it into law as an Act of Parliament.

We don't do things simple hereLOL
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

I was reading a bit on the "emergency budget" - does the Chancellor of the Exchequer recommend a budget that is then voted on in Parliament, similar to how we operate here?


Emergency budgets are generally only used, as this year, when there is a change of government. It's the new lots way of telling the old lot what a bunch of arseholes they are and what a mess they left.

It is decided upon in the same way as ordinary budgets - presented to The House of Commons as a draft bill, amended and debated in committee stages, and then kicked upstairs to The House of Lords (who cannot vote it out), amended further, then presented again to The Commons, who vote on the final bill and any further amendments. The final bill then goes to our beloved Queen Brenda to sign it into law as an Act of Parliament.

We don't do things simple hereLOL

Haha - neither do we  Tongue  'cept our Dear Leader doesn't have a crown Wink
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UK politics.....and Rick Wakeman!

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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

UK politics.....and Rick Wakeman!

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The Tories want to privatize Britain's forests. All of them.
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I'm glad you found this thread again, Alex.  I've been meaning to discuss the Vince Cable debacle.

I'm not sure what to think, really.  I agree with Vince about stopping Herr Murdoch buying the full rights to BSkyB (Not that I watch Sky but still) but now he's totally balls everything up and yes, I think he should be sacked.  He should know better than to blab to giggly girls about his intentions.  I'd much rather he spoke out properly to the press, than keeping it mostly to himself and some "constituents" posing as reporters.

However, the Tories know he'd be too powerful on the back benches and Clegg also doesn't want to lose him.  So he has to stay.

It's a terrible thing.

Oh and yes, so is privatising the forests.  I've not heard about that anywhere besides that article.  More people need to know.
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http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=414764&c=1

The review that sparked the government's transformation of higher education in England spent the "astonishingly low" sum of £68,000 on research - with nearly all of that going on an unpublished opinion survey of students and parents.
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=414764&c=1

The review that sparked the government's transformation of higher education in England spent the "astonishingly low" sum of £68,000 on research - with nearly all of that going on an unpublished opinion survey of students and parents.


The review was commissioned by the last Brown led Labour shower, not the present bunch. As with all such reviews/commissions, it was a done deal before they even met or "did any work". Such reviews have always been Whitehall's way of desanitising or making respectable unpopular decisions. It is an utter certainty that the last Government would have implemented this as well, as it was their clear policy, which makes Milliband's opposition all the more hypocritical (ditto VAT rise and cuts to civil service numbers BTW). They really are all as bad as each other.

I'm surprised, therefore, that they spent this much.
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

The Tories want to privatize Britain's forests. All of them.
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there will be nothing left to privatise after that Ouch
 
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

The Tories want to privatize Britain's forests. All of them.

The history of state run forests around the world is a history of corruption, gross crimes against the environment, using the forests as baits in elections and so forth. The UK state has also shown themselves unable to even run a barbrawl.  

In any case, most of the most important forests are already in private hands and inaccessable to even ramblers. I have one in my local area with "keep out" signs.

Hence; I will not loose sleep over this......... if it was not for this being the mating season for the urban foxes.   
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Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

The Tories want to privatize Britain's forests. All of them.

The history of state run forests around the world is a history of corruption, gross crimes against the environment, using the forests as baits in elections and so forth. The UK state has also shown themselves unable to even run a barbrawl.  

Yep, couldn't agree more, and I work for them!

However, the idea that large private or privatised corporations are model examples of how to run an organisation is also complete fantasy. In fact, many are worse run, rip us all off, and aren't even remotely democratically accountable. Therein lies the difference. At least with incompetent state organisations, you can kick the buggers out at an election. I am also in favour of elected senior officials, given that they make most of the decisions anyway, get paid a fortune, and are generally bloody useless at it.
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A forest should be run as a forestry commission and as an independent body with both inputs from the users and the local communities. This is how some forests here in Scotland has been ran since the forest fiasco in the middle of The Great War (WWI) which almost lost Great Britain that war. This has been a good solution. 

Btw you can also close down incompetent corporations by stop buying anything from them. This actually far more than within a state where politicians covers each others back or keep themselves in power through terror. The history is littered with failed private enterprises and socalled big names suddenly going bankrupt.  

 



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Yep! Back to the 80's, but this time with an even bigger national debt. Cameron must be loving it, he can fleece the poor and blame it all on labour, while secretly knowing that he would have done exactly the same re; the bank bailouts.
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