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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2010 at 08:04
Personal taste is hard to explain, just like a lot of people have said on this thread. You like it because you like it, and that's it, end of story. Obviously there are many reasons as to why you personal taste is what it is, not only in music but in every aspect of your life, but the bottom line is "I know what I like, and I like what I know", and what I know is progressive music, so bring it on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2010 at 08:53
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Personal taste is hard to explain, just like a lot of people have said on this thread. You like it because you like it, and that's it, end of story. Obviously there are many reasons as to why you personal taste is what it is, not only in music but in every aspect of your life, but the bottom line is "I know what I like, and I like what I know", and what I know is progressive music, so bring it on.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2010 at 13:27
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by rod65 rod65 wrote:

Part of the original post involved the question of "musical beauty" that might exist independent of personal taste.  (.......) I've gone on long enough. Hopefully, some of the more patient among you will actualy have read all of this, and offer a response. Smile
 
Good reasoning, and I believe that at the root of things it is partly right. However it does not provide any support why music with attributes that we label as "proggy" should be any more beautiful (objectively) than other music. "Communal" (as you say) music had been for the most part of human evolutionary culture simple, mostly rythmic and oriented to dances and rituals. For more modern and complex music, the evolutionary reasoning looses completely its strenght, a few hundreds or even thousands of years do not provide evolutionary arguments (it is even doubtful than evolutionary arguments apply to the human race timespan at all).
Within the purely musical context, what people with musical inclinations appreciate is nearly certainly due to nurture anyway, not to nature, music even in its most primitive forms is too modern to have had evolutionary effects, although it's true that in the very background of it all there is a natural trend for human beings to appreciate structure and patterns in the world surrounding us.
 
 
Thanks, Gerinski. I knew there were some problems with my arguent, and I think you have hit upon the main ones. I'm pretty sure our potential to appreciate music is hard-wired, and possessed in different degrees by different people (and to head off any misunderstandings, I am not going to suggest that smart people are hard wired to appreciate prog: we recently had a rather accrimonious thread on that topic). Just as some brains are wired to play music very well, regardless of what other potentials they might have, so some brains seem to be more inclined to appreciate music. As for the kind and complexity of the music so appreciated, that's an open question and probably mostly answerable on the nurture side of the spectrum: we cannot like somethng to which we have not been exposed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2010 at 21:35
I think rod65 has got it right. There is such a thing as beauty in an aesthetic sense in music but whether it moves you or only aesthetically beautiful music moves you is where your personal taste checks in.  I also agree with another poster that taste itself is developed from experience and patient application by the listener, it's not something you are born with.  Some people will pick up more details in the music than others because of their experience and it will enhance their appreciation. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2010 at 14:42
Dark, organic, resonant, classical and jazz influences, unique timbres and instrumentation, imperfections, improvisatory and orchestrated elements, in-the-pocket minimalist grooves with wild building solos, glorious endings, insightful and dynamic lyrics, concept albums, well-placed drum fills, high treble basses (Rickenbacker), jazz club kits, soaring guitar solos, ethereal sections with a well-grounded pulse and/or groove, organ interludes, intense and unplanned syncopation, stoned Canterbury sound, drum grooves, guitar riffs, and singing that swivels around the meter as opposed to defining it, respect for space between sound, shrieking groaning wind instruments, flute interludes, snares with a bassy pop and melodic resonance, hollow slick jazz chords, intricate sounds like the -tack- of a singer opening his mouth or the contact sound of a stick on a ride cymbal or a finger on nylon strings, rustic beauty, madness, syncopated licks gliding over straightforward grooves, 3/4 over 4/4, 9/8 over 4/4, bands going into wild improvisatory sections and hitting beat 1 all at the same time, bold but restrained, enchanting and adventurous, raw
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2010 at 16:19
Originally posted by progvortex progvortex wrote:

Dark, organic, resonant, classical and jazz influences, unique timbres and instrumentation, imperfections, improvisatory and orchestrated elements, in-the-pocket minimalist grooves with wild building solos, glorious endings, insightful and dynamic lyrics, concept albums, well-placed drum fills, high treble basses (Rickenbacker), jazz club kits, soaring guitar solos, ethereal sections with a well-grounded pulse and/or groove, organ interludes, intense and unplanned syncopation, stoned Canterbury sound, drum grooves, guitar riffs, and singing that swivels around the meter as opposed to defining it, respect for space between sound, shrieking groaning wind instruments, flute interludes, snares with a bassy pop and melodic resonance, hollow slick jazz chords, intricate sounds like the -tack- of a singer opening his mouth or the contact sound of a stick on a ride cymbal or a finger on nylon strings, rustic beauty, madness, syncopated licks gliding over straightforward grooves, 3/4 over 4/4, 9/8 over 4/4, bands going into wild improvisatory sections and hitting beat 1 all at the same time, bold but restrained, enchanting and adventurous, raw


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2010 at 16:54
One interesting point about taste and prog - have you noticed how fans of most musical genres are exclusive "That's not blues/funk/ska/r&b", but prog-heads tend to be inclusive "There's definitely a bit of prog in that" on almost anything from Elbow to Parliament. I've often wondered why, but it may be, as somebody said earlier, that "I want people to join my club"; take that as you will.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2010 at 16:59
Originally posted by The Highly Charged The Highly Charged wrote:

One interesting point about taste and prog - have you noticed how fans of most musical genres are exclusive "That's not blues/funk/ska/r&b", but prog-heads tend to be inclusive "There's definitely a bit of prog in that" on almost anything from Elbow to Parliament. I've often wondered why, but it may be, as somebody said earlier, that "I want people to join my club"; take that as you will.


It's the peril and blessing of being in such a divergent genre.  Still waiting for PA to accept ABBA and DMB.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2010 at 17:23
Originally posted by Lozlan Lozlan wrote:



It's the peril and blessing of being in such a divergent genre.  Still waiting for PA to accept ABBA and DMB.


Definitely some proggy bits on Abba the Album LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2010 at 18:03
Your personal taste means absolutely nothing to others but everything to you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2010 at 18:29
Originally posted by GY!BE GY!BE wrote:

Your personal taste means absolutely nothing to others but everything to you.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2010 at 15:01
It usually means that I can like or not like a prog band that's new to me within moments of a song starting up. With the new bands I'v e heard, this unfortunately leads to an ill response that turns me away from them. Must admit, though - I haven't heard much that is new.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2010 at 16:06
Unfortunately my taste is largely dependent on everything I'd already listened to up until the moment I decide to listen to something new, yet again. And I'm sure this applies to everyone, but of course some more than others - because, in that case - mainstream music would die out rather quickly, and everyone would develop eclectic tastes in no time. The reason it applies to me is because - once I hear a band do something well, I naturally have a lessened appreciation to a band of very similar sound, following them... as it's been done before. That's why it's important to break boundaries, create new ones... totally forget about 'genre', and be free to experiment with anything.
 
What excites me, is originality/creative. Now, by that I don't necessary mean 'technical', because anyone can learn to play technically; there are millions of shredders out there, for example, but who really gives a crap about every single one of them? They're like crime, or the news... we've become so desensitised to it all, to the extent that no emotional acknowledgement can be rendered. Ideally, I love bands who can combine their ability, with the overall perception/sound, to create a musical journey that CAN be distinguished from all the rest. I find this a lot in Dream Theater's stuff, I'm aware a lot of people don't agree with me, but hey this is on personal taste.
 
Apologies on being vague, but I could write a hell of a lot more.
I'm interested to find out other people's view on this. I usually bring this topic up in person... Perhaps, to one day, embark on the real correlation between them all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2010 at 16:31
I am always surprised when someone asks me : "what kind of music do you listen to ?"
 
In fact, I don't have prejudices on any musical genre, and my interest in music has no boundaries. Just like Jimi Hendrix, "I can listen to any kind of music, as long as it interests me".
 
I attend concerts of all musical genres : ethnic, jazz, metal, classical, funk...but unfortunately what I observe is that often people are limited in their tastes (I met someone at a jazz concert, who is into jazz, jazz-rock and everything that revolves around jazz, but when I told him that Emerson can be of interest to him (the trio playing at the venue involved a B3 player, Larry Goldings, and we were discussing about B3 players), he replied he doesn't listen to pop music !).
 
Being open to all musical cultures is the key to tolerance !
 
I really don't understand how one can claim the only music he listens to is the best and anything other is rubbish.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2010 at 21:22
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

I am always surprised when someone asks me : "what kind of music do you listen to ?"
 
In fact, I don't have prejudices on any musical genre, and my interest in music has no boundaries. Just like Jimi Hendrix, "I can listen to any kind of music, as long as it interests me".
 
I attend concerts of all musical genres : ethnic, jazz, metal, classical, funk...but unfortunately what I observe is that often people are limited in their tastes (I met someone at a jazz concert, who is into jazz, jazz-rock and everything that revolves around jazz, but when I told him that Emerson can be of interest to him (the trio playing at the venue involved a B3 player, Larry Goldings, and we were discussing about B3 players), he replied he doesn't listen to pop music !).
 
Being open to all musical cultures is the key to tolerance !
 
I really don't understand how one can claim the only music he listens to is the best and anything other is rubbish.
 


I'd like to say that about myself, but it's not true anymore. I love when bands pull elements from various genres and that's what keeps me interested. I don't understand jazz. I like Mahavishnu Orchestra and own 2 MIles Davis CDs, but I can't get into a lot of it. Classical I can listen to. It's comforting and thoroughly inspiring.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 16:33
In a nutshell, personal taste, I think, is based both on one's experience or story and is also influenced by one's personality.
 
Figuring out why you like something would involve rediscovering your personal history which includes a very large number of factors.  Often times it is probably not worth the effort (witness the many responses which dismiss the effort of trying to answer the question) because in one sense that personal history is full of accidents and personal facts that may be uninteresting in themselves or forgotten and difficult to recall or rediscover.  On the other hand, these same facts are what has gone into making you the person that you are so they can also have an intrinsic value and even be valued collectively if the topic of conversation supports it.  Also, a good storyteller could deliver this information in an entertaining way.
 
One of my theories (I'm an armchair philosopher in case you haven't noticed) is that we all develop in our personalities and interests in a biased way.  I believe that this is a general fact of psychology and has everything to do with economy of energy in the brain...if there are multiple choices or ways of doing something that are otherwise all equally attractive but your instinctual needs require an answer in a certain amount of time, it is advantageous to solve the "problem of multiple and equal choices" by developing a bias.  One then simply chooses one's "favorite" and is able to quickly satisfy the need at hand.
 
For those who feel their interests are not biased, I suspect the following two scenarios may apply:
 
1.  Lack of general interest or appreciation in the matter
2.  Deep objective knowledge and appreciation of the matter
 
If music doesn't impact your deeper personal needs then you are not going to develop a preferential relationship to music.  If, on the other hand, you love music and have made it a great focus in your life, you may arrive at a place where you have somewhat transcended a preferential personal relationship to music and can find something good in just about any good piece.  I suppose you could call this a post-personal relationship to music.  Those who just listen to pop music on the radio or whatever radio station and, on a shallow level, equally appreciate all songs might be described as having a pre-personal relationship to music.
 
I suspect prog fans are largely those who have a self-conscious personal relationship to music...either they play instruments or they find in music a deep need that is not met otherwise in their lives.  The pursuit of music for them fulfills a need and so they are likely to develop some biases as they explore the realm of music.  With long term pursuit of music one finds that if one is growing on a personal level one also grows in the scope of the types and kinds of music that can be appreciated.  For those who study music, they, perhaps, tend to take on a more transcendant relationship to music which is less biased and personal and more appreciative of the whole. 
 
Now pop music fans can also develop preferences in music of course, but due to the difficulty level of listening to much of prog I suspect that for prog fans the percentage of serious music listeners is much higher.
 
One factor, I suspect, in the truth of the above comes from another principle of instinctual gratification: how hard do you have to work to fulfill your need?  For those with a lot of disposable income to spend on music the biasing factor may be greatly reduced.  For those of us with very little disposable income the need to select based on preferences becomes much more important.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 21:06
I hate vocals, only like things than constantly shift time signatures (no 4/4), and hate anything that remains in the same key for more than thirty seconds.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 19:59
I found that dark, spacey material is the most appealing to me in the prog rock genre.  It's what got me started with Pink Floyd, and what eventually led me to Peter Gabriel's experimental material (III, Up) and King Crimson's as well (Red, Power to Believe).
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