For my Libertarian friends

The one thread where we all agree weed should be legal!

+ Various other drugs

manofmystery wrote: It seems a shame to me that it always breaks down to weed with everyone.  What is more shameful is that many only agree with libertarians on this issue for selfish reasons.  Whether you do it yourself or find it absolutely abhorrent shouldn't enter into it.  Frankly, I hate pot but I hate the idea that a personal/group opinion can be used to govern all far more.   Maybe we libertarians could work out a deal with pro-pot non-libertarians: Would you be willing to accept a complete release of all government imposed market restrictions if it meant you could smoke up freely?

Well weed is what most care about, so (for me at least) it comes to mind first. Much smaller population cares about legalizing crack or heroin!
I agree. Most believe in its legalization for selfish reasons. But that is human nature no?

Oh I knew you'd say that.
I was just throwing it out there that it should be no surprise that alot of people who advocate legalization of weed are acting in self interest (though more out there exist then I thought who don't smoke but still do).
Also was just addressing why weed is the drug most people think of/care about.
Self interest. Those who dont want to do coke don't care. Not everyone likes freedom like you


I know we're used to arguing but I'm agreeing man
Drugs are no fun in this thread. No debate.

TAX IS NOT THEFT AND A NECESSARY EVIL
That'll stir up fun!

Dean wrote: JJLehto wrote: TAX IS NOT THEFT AND A NECESSARY EVIL That'll stir up fun! Tax isn't your money - never was, never will be.

Oh! So the government can take as much of it as it wants?
I'll remember that, thank Dean!

Have fun telling that to our Libertarian friends

Er everyone is so serious in this thread! 

Dean wrote: JJLehto wrote: Dean wrote: JJLehto wrote: TAX IS NOT THEFT AND A NECESSARY EVIL That'll stir up fun! Tax isn't your money - never was, never will be. Oh! So the government can take as much of it as it wants? I'll remember that, thank Dean! Have fun telling that to our Libertarian friends It can try, and frequently does, but no:   You enter a contract of employment that pays you a salary of x dollars a year, of which y dollars is yours and z dollars is tax. The z dollars was never yours, it was never going to be paid to you. If tax didn't exist your employer wouldn't pay you x dollars a year, he would pay you y dollars. - you only get paid x dollars because of taxation.

You're talking about withholding, and it's still doesn't change the idea that income tax is theft.  The governments (federal and state) get to decide how much money is taken from your gross salary.  The governments withhold this money, and after a year, you file a tax return.  Quite frequently, people get refunds (some or all) of their withheld money back.  But they get no interest.  They have effectively given the governments an interest-free loan for a year.

But let's say you're late filing your taxes.  You could be assessed penalties and interest.

By the way, I'm an independent contractor, so I have zero dollars withheld from my pay.  Come tax time, though, I have to claim that income and pay a tax on it.  I prefer this to giving the government an interest-free loan, but it doesn't diminish my opinion that the government should not tax income at all.

Epignosis wrote: You're talking about withholding, and it's still doesn't change the idea that income tax is theft.  The governments (federal and state) get to decide how much money is taken from your gross salary.  The governments withhold this money, and after a year, you file a tax return.  Quite frequently, people get refunds (some or all) of their withheld money back.  But they get no interest.  They have effectively given the governments an interest-free loan for a year.   But let's say you're late filing your taxes.  You could be assessed penalties and interest. By the way, I'm an independent contractor, so I have zero dollars withheld from my pay.  Come tax time, though, I have to claim that income and pay a tax on it.  I prefer this to giving the government an interest-free loan, but it doesn't diminish my opinion that the government should not tax income at all.

And yes it does matter how you pay your taxes.  As I said, with our current system, we give the government interest-free loans every year.  With a consumption tax, that will not be so, and think of the billions of the dollars that could be saved by severely diminishing the IRS (and all the paperwork that comes with it- the environmentalists should like that).

Equality 7-2521 wrote: So you think companies just ignore the cost of taxation?  If the taxes were removed I'd get x dollars a year, because the company is willing to pay x dollars a year for my services. Their accountants don't care if that money goes to me or to government drains. Besides war, tax is the most disgusting part of government.

Companies are willing to pay you x. They will offer you x dollars absent of the tax for your services to lure you away from other companies.