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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 00:55
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Well i would parallel it (if such a verb exists) with an answering machine, a one way message that leaves an impression to the listener, depending on his interpretation of the message.
An answering machine uses words and only tells you to leave a message, this analogy makes no sense.


It wouldn't be an analogy if it was the exact same thing, would it?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 00:56
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

If ur in a good mood then all music is good, if ur in a bad mood then all music sucks.....Its up to ur own personal taste as to whether u are in a good mood or bad mood.


I have to disagree here, as there is music that can completely ruin a good day. If you've been in Uruguay long enough i bet you've heard of a little thing called cumbia villera?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 01:22
Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

If ur in a good mood then all music is good, if ur in a bad mood then all music sucks.....Its up to ur own personal taste as to whether u are in a good mood or bad mood.


I have to disagree here, as there is music that can completely ruin a good day. If you've been in Uruguay long enough i bet you've heard of a little thing called cumbia villera?
Yes...but again depends on your own mood how you let this music affect you, in the streets....but a little wine can help too LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 01:31
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

If ur in a good mood then all music is good, if ur in a bad mood then all music sucks.....Its up to ur own personal taste as to whether u are in a good mood or bad mood.


I have to disagree here, as there is music that can completely ruin a good day. If you've been in Uruguay long enough i bet you've heard of a little thing called cumbia villera?
Yes...but again depends on your own mood how you let this music affect you, in the streets....but a little wine can help too LOL


LOL

Maybe so, i still can't find a corelation between my mood and appreciation of music, for example dancing with the moonlit knight moves me when i'm feeling happy, blue, angry, bored, drunk, or cheerful with little difference

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 04:41
Many years ago I watched a TV show with a number of pop artists and deciding who was the worst was very difficult. There was something chemical in my blood that came from my lung so I watched the whole show.

There was just one artist who gave me a quite positive sensation, like his music was hitting the right neurons. Weeks later I discovered from the radio that it was effectively a good song and that the author was likely in my same state when he wrote it.

It depends on what is running in your blood at the moment, but if it's good it's good. What changes is the level of attention that you pay to it at the first listen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 05:31
Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Well i would parallel it (if such a verb exists) with an answering machine, a one way message that leaves an impression to the listener, depending on his interpretation of the message.
An answering machine uses words and only tells you to leave a message, this analogy makes no sense.


It wouldn't be an analogy if it was the exact same thing, would it?

An analogy has to make sense and actually be an analogy though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 05:58
Very good question. It must be because i want give a answerWink

Even if there is some different genre on the progressive world and that some people don't like bands that others likes, i think there is a common taste in all progressive music independent of any personal taste. This is a taste for something complex, more challenging then pop music. This music require more effort to be appreciate. If i have listened to more symphonic music then avant-garde or space rock music is rather a matter of choice than a matter of taste. I don't have time to explore and buy all the music in all different prog genres. It is difficult for me to explain why some people prefer some type of progressive music over some other, some bands over others. That why we can close the discussion, by saying, it's a matter of taste. But this answer doesn't satisfy me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 06:39
One of the fascinating characteristics that you find in many proggers (although certainly not all) is versatility, I can happily switch from the softest Renaissance to DT, to jazz-rock, to KC or VDGG, to old Genesis / Yes / ELP, to crossover, to Jesus Christ Superstar, to Oldfield to the Enid to Ayreon to classical music to Steve Vai to Bowie and the list would be so long and embracing such a wide diversity of styles, including even more modern interpretations of prog such as from the Mars Volta to GSY!BE to the Cardiacs. You do not find this versatility of music taste in most people out of the prog environment.
 
This suggests that indeed what we appreciate above all is certain qualities in music rather than certain styles.
 
Having said that, I'm a symphonic old fart and even if I love a lot of other music and I try to be open and listen to new and different things, I have to admit that I always end up concluding that still nothing fulfills me like the classic symphonic and eclectic prog.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 06:55
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

One of the fascinating characteristics that you find in many proggers (although certainly not all) is versatility, I can happily switch from the softest Renaissance to DT, to jazz-rock, to KC or VDGG, to old Genesis / Yes / ELP, to crossover, to Jesus Christ Superstar, to Oldfield to the Enid to Ayreon to classical music to Steve Vai to Bowie and the list would be so long and embracing such a wide diversity of styles, including even more modern interpretations of prog such as from the Mars Volta to GSY!BE to the Cardiacs. You do not find this versatility of music taste in most people out of the prog environment.
 
This suggests that indeed what we appreciate above all is certain qualities in music rather than certain styles.
 
Having said that, I'm a symphonic old fart and even if I love a lot of other music and I try to be open and listen to new and different things, I have to admit that I always end up concluding that still nothing fulfills me like the classic symphonic and eclectic prog.
 


Yes, i think you have nailed down something interesting here : "Versatility". You can enjoy a lot of different genres in the progressive rock and also in other genres of music. That's what keep the music experience enjoyable. You always find something new to avoid boredom. I realise over the years that to be able to enjoy my symphonic music, i need to listen to something different. And also i think it can pursue a need to experience different kind of emotions, moods.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 07:12
men tend to try and match their acquisitions with those who are higher in social hierarchy.[6] In terms of taste and modern consumption this means that taste is formed in a process in of emulation: people emulate each other, which creates certain habits and preferences, which in turn contributes to consumption of certain preferred goods.
 
above comes from the wiki link previous in this thread.
 
So by becomming member of a website like this our taste will shift towards more progressive music in order to beter belong to this web-society. etc. so being aroud prog-heads results in becoming a proghead by association and emulating each others tastes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 07:41
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

men tend to try and match their acquisitions with those who are higher in social hierarchy.[6] In terms of taste and modern consumption this means that taste is formed in a process in of emulation: people emulate each other, which creates certain habits and preferences, which in turn contributes to consumption of certain preferred goods.
 
above comes from the wiki link previous in this thread.
 
So by becomming member of a website like this our taste will shift towards more progressive music in order to beter belong to this web-society. etc. so being aroud prog-heads results in becoming a proghead by association and emulating each others tastes.


This is a way of explain the subject, but i don't think that my love of progressive music depends completely on the influence of people in a higher social hierarchy. I didn't  listen to prog music to be accepted by the prog society.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 08:04
This sums up my feelings on the topic:

"I don't know why, it's the same reason why you like some music and you don't like others. There's something about it that you like. Ultimately I don't find it's in my best interests to try and analyze it, since it's fundamentally emotional."  -  Jerry Garcia

This is what it comes down to.  Music elicits an emotional response in people. Emotion is a very personal thing (though it can be shared, in some situations), hence musical appreciation is a very personal thing.  Of course, there is the aspect of appreciating the technique of a player, or the compositional skill of a writer.  But even there, it is a personal preference issue, as not everyone appreciates complexity or simplicity (and everything in between applies here as well).




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 08:42
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Well i would parallel it (if such a verb exists) with an answering machine, a one way message that leaves an impression to the listener, depending on his interpretation of the message.
An answering machine uses words and only tells you to leave a message, this analogy makes no sense.


It wouldn't be an analogy if it was the exact same thing, would it?

An analogy has to make sense and actually be an analogy though.


ok if now 2 people think it didn't make scense then it must have been so Embarrassed My bad then, the important thing is that you understand what i was trying to say.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 09:11
Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Well i would parallel it (if such a verb exists) with an answering machine, a one way message that leaves an impression to the listener, depending on his interpretation of the message.
An answering machine uses words and only tells you to leave a message, this analogy makes no sense.


It wouldn't be an analogy if it was the exact same thing, would it?

An analogy has to make sense and actually be an analogy though.


ok if now 2 people think it didn't make scense then it must have been so Embarrassed My bad then, the important thing is that you understand what i was trying to say.

Not sure i do.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 09:16
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Well i would parallel it (if such a verb exists) with an answering machine, a one way message that leaves an impression to the listener, depending on his interpretation of the message.
An answering machine uses words and only tells you to leave a message, this analogy makes no sense.


It wouldn't be an analogy if it was the exact same thing, would it?

An analogy has to make sense and actually be an analogy though.


ok if now 2 people think it didn't make scense then it must have been so Embarrassed My bad then, the important thing is that you understand what i was trying to say.



Not sure i do.Wink



Well at the moment the artist writes a song, what he is doing is ordering sound based on their current state of mood, and what they have to say. That same ordered sound is received by some random person. If that person can identify with the content of the music, then there's a like, if not, not.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 09:17
Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Well i would parallel it (if such a verb exists) with an answering machine, a one way message that leaves an impression to the listener, depending on his interpretation of the message.
An answering machine uses words and only tells you to leave a message, this analogy makes no sense.


It wouldn't be an analogy if it was the exact same thing, would it?

An analogy has to make sense and actually be an analogy though.


ok if now 2 people think it didn't make scense then it must have been so Embarrassed My bad then, the important thing is that you understand what i was trying to say.



Not sure i do.Wink



Well at the moment the artist writes a song, what he is doing is ordering sound based on their current state of mood, and what they have to say. That same ordered sound is received by some random person. If that person can identify with the content of the music, then there's a like, if not, not.

Sounds kinda obvious.Tongue

Are you saying that someone writes a song and someone else might like it and someone might not?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 09:30
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Well i would parallel it (if such a verb exists) with an answering machine, a one way message that leaves an impression to the listener, depending on his interpretation of the message.
An answering machine uses words and only tells you to leave a message, this analogy makes no sense.


It wouldn't be an analogy if it was the exact same thing, would it?

An analogy has to make sense and actually be an analogy though.


ok if now 2 people think it didn't make scense then it must have been so Embarrassed My bad then, the important thing is that you understand what i was trying to say.



Not sure i do.Wink



Well at the moment the artist writes a song, what he is doing is ordering sound based on their current state of mood, and what they have to say. That same ordered sound is received by some random person. If that person can identify with the content of the music, then there's a like, if not, not.

Sounds kinda obvious.Tongue

Are you saying that someone writes a song and someone else might like it and someone might not?


LOL No but i can see why you would think that.

I mean someone writes a song and someone else might like it if he can identify his own feelings, thoughts and maybe even values in it, i don't think it's just random...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 09:33
^^Ok.....I think I understand.Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 09:38
Yey

Well i just thought of an example actually, specially about the "values" part. One person can love frank zappa for his irony, but anotherone might not like his entire music because he says "a****le" and "son of a bitch" a lot, and some people have his head printed in fire that that is wrong, always.

Edit: PD: Frank would be disgusted with the censorship in this forum, just saying...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2010 at 10:30
I am brought up with a classical musical background, I sang in several choirs, played in a baroque flute ensemble, and play several instruments (not very well, but enough for 'home' usage).
I like listening to classical music ('classical' is used in a wider sense, that means european compositional music from early renaissance to modern times, roughly from Palestrina to Stockhausen). And I like rock music which is influenced by this kind of music.
I like it, if a rock music song resembles in structure this compositional 'classical music', in terms of:
- sophisticated construction with beginning, middle part, ending
- dynamic, tempo and rhythmical changes
- polyphonic and contrapuntal structures in melody
- extended harmonies with chromatic chord shifting and triad breaking
- unusual usage of instruments (a recorder next to an E-guitar is cool!)

So that is why I like the music I find in PA! Wink



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