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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 21:32 |
thellama73 wrote:
Well, when I was in Italy I had some of the best food of my life, but here in the States I far prefer Mexican food.
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What's really interesting is debt that Italian owes to Mexican in terms of vegetable ingredients. We have lots of great Taquerías in our area, Tex-Mex, Peruvian, etc. Oddly enough, good Italian has largely vanished. Screw it, sometime you just have to make it yourself.
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Dean
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 05:05 |
aginor wrote:
^ I tend to see both pasta and pizza as food made by geniuses for a purpose that you can have anything your imgaintation and knowledge desires to make a good sauce, be it bolognaise, carbonara, napoli, seafood, tuna, anchovies, plain pasta with pesto, or maccaroni n cheese and sousages, tomato sauce, garlic and black pepper. |
Even if I live forever I will never understand macaroni cheese - aside from being dullness incarnate - why only macaroni, why not any other pasta? - why is the dish defined by the shape that the flour and water dough has been formed into? And don't give me that different pasta's hold the sauce differently rubbish - why not penne'n'cheese or cavatappi'n'cheese? There is nothing genius about boiled flour and water paste.
aginor wrote:
Pizzas the same, you can simply put annything tasty on it (it have to be some logic), the best one are those made in a stone owen, I realy like pizzas with scampi, anchovies, olivs, or hawiian, mexicana |
In an Italian restaurant in London I once ordered a sea-food pizza and it was served shell-on - I've never seen anything quite so ridiculous as prawns, clams and mussels cooked in their shells on a pizza covered in tomato sauce and melted cheese - yes, that's the work of a genius, when any fool can make pizza but it takes special skill and effort to f k it up so badly that you can't physically eat it.
Another occasion in another restaurant in another town I ordered mexican hot pizza - when it was served there was three tiny pieces of pepperoni and not a jalapeños pepper in sight. It was only on taking the first bite I discovered that they had covered the topping in a tablespoonful of raw chili powder. When I complained to the owner he told me that if I couldn't handle hot food I shouldn't have ordered it - I told him the heat wasn't the problem and that if he had used fresh or preserved jalapeños or flaked chili or chili oil there wouldn't have been a problem but raw chili powder that hasn't "cooked-through" was simply unpleasant to eat to the point of being inedible and if he couldn't serve-up something as simple as cheese on toast with tree miserable slices of pepperoni without screwing it up he shouldn't be in business. I then asked him to try a fork-full of my pizza, at first he refused but I insisted - I don't think he chewed and I'm certain he didn't swallow, but his face went scarlet and tears welled in his eyes - he quickly took my plate away and stormed off to the kitchen, returning 10 minutes later with a fresh pizza covered in pepperoni, apologising that they had run out of jalapeños and that the chef had made a mistake in putting chili powder on the pizza.
Pizza is the only food where people reguarily don't clear the plate and no one hardly ever wants the last slice. And quite why people ask for a doggy-bag to take home their half-eaten pizza is beyond my comprehension.
No, pizza is not the work of genius, its lazy food, lazily prepared and lazily cooked for lazy people - it contains no imagination, flair or finess - at best it is a snack food, but other nations do starch-based snack food so much better, even the style over substance of sushi and sashimi (which is all too often served too cold to actually taste anything) or the brute-force of a burrito.
The Italians are great cooks and produce some excellent food, but pizza and pasta don't figure on my list of great Italian meals.
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 05:17 |
wow, the Great Dean Pizza Rant of 2010 -- sounds like you've had it bad. Having eaten 'Italian' and 'American' food in Britain, I sympathize. Come to NY or SF and have some real pie .. but yeah, there's sad excuses for pizza everywhere
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Dean
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 06:15 |
Atavachron wrote:
wow, the Great Dean Pizza Rant of 2010 -- sounds like you've had it bad. Having eaten 'Italian' and 'American' food in Britain, I sympathize. Come to NY or SF and have some real pie .. but yeah, there's sad excuses for pizza everywhere
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I have eaten a pizza in Italy (once) and it was equally as disappointing and I have eaten pizza in SF that failed to impress (ate some great seafood though). I've never visited NY, but on my many trips to Texas the plethora of excellent mexican, texican and cajun restaurants push the pizza-parlour way down the list of places I'd choose to eat.
The call "Let's go out for pizza" always makes my heart sink into despair, but I will order calzone in the rare instances that it appears on a menu, even if it is impossible to eat a whole one and the "crust" remains uneaten on my plate.
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 11:32 |
I was gunna say....come to NYC or the metro area and have some great Italian food but looks like Dean is pretty settled in his opinion.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 11:35 |
JJLehto wrote:
I was gunna say....come to NYC or the metro area and have some great Italian food but looks like Dean is pretty settled in his opinion.
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So whose Italian do yo like better NY or NJ's?
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 11:37 |
Pizza is great it's not gordonblur cooking but I still love pizza. I'm sure it was only invented as fast food anyway. But I do prefer Mexican food (Frijoles and huevos fritos)
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crimhead
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 13:44 |
Equally. I love both foods. Hard to leave either restaurant feeling hungry.
Thankfully Yum foods hasn't ruined Italian food like they have Mexican food with Taco Bell. Fast food and Italian don't mix.
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 22:45 |
Well, I am used to Mexican food, and I really love it. However I also love Italian one. No vote here, since a live in Mexico and eat almost everyday Mexican food.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 07:02 |
If I had to guess, you guys are the number one consumers of Mexican food in the world.
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 22:30 |
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 22:32 |
I've also been told that "tacos" are really an American thing and tacos in Mexico are bad.
No idea about either of those though
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 23:44 |
JJLehto wrote:
I've also been told that "tacos" are really an American thing and tacos in Mexico are bad.
No idea about either of those though
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Are you channeling moshkito there?
I'll take tacos al pastor over any pasta dish.
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Posted: September 21 2010 at 00:18 |
KoS wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
I've also been told that "tacos" are really an American thing and tacos in Mexico are bad.
No idea about either of those though
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I'll take tacos al pastor over any pasta dish.
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My gawd those look amazing. mmmmmmmm... Mexican food for me as well, easily.
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Posted: September 22 2010 at 05:33 |
Mmm... I went with Italian, but I think I should have gone Mexican, despite the number it sometimes does on my stomach. It's just so freaking tasty.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 22 2010 at 06:49 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Pizza is great it's not gordonblur cooking but I still love pizza. I'm sure it was only invented as fast food anyway. But I do prefer Mexican food (Frijoles and huevos fritos)
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Just beware of the gordonramsey cooking. It curses at you. By the way in response to some of the other posts above, crunchy shell tacos are a US invention, the tacos pictured above are the real deal and usually real good.
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Ruby900
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Posted: September 29 2010 at 08:23 |
Splinters in the bum with this one, as I love them both. In fact I just loooooooove food......
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GY!BE
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Posted: September 29 2010 at 19:04 |
Mexican all the way!
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krishl
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Posted: December 07 2010 at 16:28 |
Mexican. More specifically, New Mexican. Red or Green? Christmas.
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Chela
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Posted: December 15 2010 at 23:44 |
There's times when I need spaghetti or pasta, and there's times when I NEED tortillas and birria, but the Mexican food always reigns over Italian. Mmm, tamales...
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