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    Posted: September 14 2010 at 17:23
I'm not taking sides. I usually defend freedom of speech and expression. But recent issues have sparked a discussion in other threads about this subject. So, my question is: is freedom of expression really THAT important? Should it be given an almost sacred meaning where it can't be touched in any way? Or should there be limits? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 17:32
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 17:38
Of course there should be limits.  You should not be allowed to yell "fire" in a movie theater if there isn't a fire.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 18:26
No, sometimes there will be other considerations that out way the freedom of speech/expresion, particularly concerning the consequences of exercising that freedom.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 18:34
IMO freedom of speech is sacred and absolute, unfortunatly it isn't granted to anyone.
 
parts of this freedom should IMO actually entail the right to actually be heard by the one you are speeching to.
counter arguments against freedom of speech being absolute, include stupid things like "people might be offeded" or "people might get scared" or whatever. those are stupid arguments, for reasons unknown to me, we have the right to ignore people's opinions and expressions. I hate that, it's ruining my freedom of expression/speech.
 
damn, who will read this post, so what's the significance of this so called freedom.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 18:38
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Of course there should be limits.  You should not be allowed to yell "fire" in a movie theater if there isn't a fire.
 
Why not,      
 
 
can you yell Ice cream in the same movie theater if there isn't ice cream.
 
 
or even worse when there was ice cream, but it has been melted by the fire


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 18:42
Yes, as long it as it doesn't endanger anyone, yelling "bomb" in an airport, "fire" in crowded places, or "Catholic!" at an athiest convention.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 19:01
Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

Yes, as long it as it doesn't endanger anyone, yelling "bomb" in an airport, "fire" in crowded places, or "Catholic!" at an athiest convention.




What KoS said.

As for political and social commentary, anything goes.  Doesn't matter if it "offends" people.   Fight speech you find distasteful with your own speech, counter argue rather than have ridiculous attempts to shut down others with political correctness code.  Beat them with ideas, not with speech regulations. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 19:43
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

meh
My sentiments exactly, though probably not exactly exactly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 19:47
All reality, freedom of speech is important
(oi like I needed to say that)

But IMHO its not above all.
And this is, I believe, accepted by most.
I maybe wrong, but I thought there were legal cases where speech is not protected.

Such as the classic "fire!" in a movie theater (public endangerment)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 20:01
We need a Kwisatz Haderach...that will sort out the soap box flotsam.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 20:04
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

We need a Kwisatz Haderach...that will sort out the soap box flotsam.
Unfortunately, we'll all start worshipping him...

To answer your question, yes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 20:05

This is why law, useful though it is in some ways, will never completely work. People should have freedom of speech but there certainly are conditions and situations where people saying/writing a certain thing can lead to disaster so it's not absolute. However, finely specifying exactly what these conditions/situations might be so that people can be prosecuted over it is absolutely impossible. It can only be left to people's own judgement and cannot be legislated.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 20:07
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

All reality, freedom of speech is important
(oi like I needed to say that)

But IMHO its not above all.
And this is, I believe, accepted by most.
I maybe wrong, but I thought there were legal cases where speech is not protected.

Such as the classic "fire!" in a movie theater (public endangerment)
Slander and Libel
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 20:15
Freedom of speech is the most important right we have. You can interpret that however you want, but I'm not going to support any form of censorship when it gets to the fundamental level. I would like to think that our common sense would tell us when to hold our tongues. Those of us without that common sense will always speak out in the wrong situations regardless of what laws may be put in place to supposedly prevent it.

If we aren't speaking in legal terms, I think the answer should be obvious. It's up to the individual how he wants to handle the right to speak freely. The right to freedom of expression is also the right to stay silent if you feel that is more appropriate. But I don't really see how it's possible to do anything other than hold free speech to such importance. I mean, just by questioning free speech's importance, you're exercising your right to use it. That's pretty powerful stuff.

So, I don't really think it's a matter of how important you choose to consider it. The fact that you use it every second of your life to different degrees should show how important it is. You don't have to call it the holy grail, but if you don't think it's all that important, then stop and examine the way you take it for granted all the time. You don't have to say something radical in order to be using your right to free speech.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 20:16
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

This is why law, useful though it is in some ways, will never completely work. People should have freedom of speech but there certainly are conditions and situations where people saying/writing a certain thing can lead to disaster so it's not absolute. However, finely specifying exactly what these conditions/situations might be so that people can be prosecuted over it is absolutely impossible. It can only be left to people's own judgement and cannot be legislated.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 20:18
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Freedom of speech is the most important right we have. You can interpret that however you want, but I'm not going to support any form of censorship when it gets to the fundamental level. I would like to think that our common sense would tell us when to hold our tongues. Those of us without that common sense will always speak out in the wrong situations regardless of what laws may be put in place to supposedly prevent it.

If we aren't speaking in legal terms, I think the answer should be obvious. It's up to the individual how he wants to handle the right to speak freely. The right to freedom of expression is also the right to stay silent if you feel that is more appropriate. But I don't really see how it's possible to do anything other than hold free speech to such importance. I mean, just by questioning free speech's importance, you're exercising your right to use it. That's pretty powerful stuff.

So, I don't really think it's a matter of how important you choose to consider it. The fact that you use it every second of your life to different degrees should show how important it is. You don't have to call it the holy grail, but if you don't think it's all that important, then stop and examine the way you take it for granted all the time. You don't have to say something radical in order to be using your right to free speech.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2010 at 20:35
Though it's a little jokey, this sums up my feelings pretty well:






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