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Epignosis wrote: Easy Money wrote: I have to go to work soon, so I will leave you with these words to ponder, one of Jesus' many warnings to the wealthy, this time from from James 5 - "Now listen you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming upon you. Your wealth has rotted and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! the wages you failed to pay the workman who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvester have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered innocent men who were not opposing you." Being wealthy was not these people's sin.  These people's sins were theft and murder in order to become rich.  Very simple.

I would prefer that God's words stand on their own without your spin, which as far as I know, is not contained in any Bible that I own. Notice I added no personal spin, just the word of God by itself.

Edited by Easy Money - September 14 2010 at 22:22

I have to go to work soon, so I will leave you with these words to ponder, one of Jesus' many warnings to the wealthy, this time from from James 5 -

"Now listen you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming upon you. Your wealth has rotted and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! the wages you failed to pay the workman who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvester have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty.

You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered innocent men who were not opposing you."



Edited by Easy Money - September 14 2010 at 08:36

Epignosis wrote: Easy Money wrote: ^ I think you pick and choose what Bible verses are best for you. I can pull up plenty posts in economic/political discussions on PA where you defend the wealthy which is at complete odds with the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament. Meanwhile, most if not all verses condemning homosexuality are found in the Old Testament. Any Bible scholar can tell you the rule of law in the Old Testament was superseded by Jesus' sacrifice in the New Testament. Did you even read the article I linked to?  I just said the notion of wealth accumulation in the Ancient Near East is very different from that which we in the US have.  It is not wrong to be wealthy- the Bible tells us that in plenty of places.  It is when one's wealth becomes more important than following Christ and obeying his commands that there's a problem. I defend the wealthy from the government taking what they've earned.  That position is not unbiblical. If you want to see what the Bible has to say about wealth, here and here. So if the bolded statement above is true (I'm not saying it is or isn't), then is murder okay now? And by the way, the Old Testament law never applied to me in the first place.  I'm a Gentile and I've never lived among the Israelites.  Notice how I've never once quoted a passage about homosexuality from the OT law in these discussions.

"The meek shall inherit the earth...but not the mineral rights" (John Paul Getty)


Edited by ExittheLemming - September 14 2010 at 08:17

Easy Money wrote: ^ I think you pick and choose what Bible verses are best for you. I can pull up plenty posts in economic/political discussions on PA where you defend the wealthy which is at complete odds with the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament. Meanwhile, most if not all verses condemning homosexuality are found in the Old Testament. Any Bible scholar can tell you the rule of law in the Old Testament was superseded by Jesus' sacrifice in the New Testament.

Did you even read the article I linked to?  I just said the notion of wealth accumulation in the Ancient Near East is very different from that which we in the US have.  It is not wrong to be wealthy- the Bible tells us that in plenty of places.  It is when one's wealth becomes more important than following Christ and obeying his commands that there's a problem.

I defend the wealthy from the government taking what they've earned.  That position is not unbiblical.

If you want to see what the Bible has to say about wealth, here and here.

So if the bolded statement above is true (I'm not saying it is or isn't), then is murder okay now?

And by the way, the Old Testament law never applied to me in the first place.  I'm a Gentile and I've never lived among the Israelites.  Notice how I've never once quoted a passage about homosexuality from the OT law in these discussions.

^ I think you pick and choose what Bible verses are best for you. I can pull up plenty posts in economic/political discussions on PA where you defend the wealthy which is at complete odds with the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament. Meanwhile, most if not all verses condemning homosexuality are found in the Old Testament.
Any Bible scholar can tell you the rule of law in the Old Testament was superseded by Jesus' sacrifice in the New Testament.

Slartibartfast wrote: The T wrote: thellama73 wrote: Wow, T, you got Pat to use an emoticon! Well played indeed. He laughed, he used an emoticon, he used the word "well" in regards to a post of mine, he even said "sir"...  ...There's hope for us, for all mankind... (or I guess I chose the right day to resume using acid, eating mushrooms and shooting smack.... ) I tried snorting crack but the rocks kept falling out. <font><font size="+1">Quotes          <big style="color: rgb0, 0, 153;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"> "Number of times Jesus condemns homosexuality: Zero.    Number of times he condemns divorce: 4.  Adultery: 9.           Number of New Testament verses condemning the rich: 20+.   Number condemning gay marriage: Zero.

True, the New Testament is very consistent and thorough about its attitude towards the wealthy, funny that you never hear about those verses even here on PA from those that like to quote from the Bible.

Edited by Easy Money - September 14 2010 at 07:31

The T wrote: thellama73 wrote: Wow, T, you got Pat to use an emoticon! Well played indeed. He laughed, he used an emoticon, he used the word "well" in regards to a post of mine, he even said "sir"...  ...There's hope for us, for all mankind... (or I guess I chose the right day to resume using acid, eating mushrooms and shooting smack.... )

I tried snorting crack but the rocks kept falling out.

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"Number of times Jesus condemns homosexuality: Zero. 
  Number of times he condemns divorce: 4.  Adultery: 9. 
  Number of New Testament verses condemning the rich: 20+.
  Number condemning gay marriage: Zero."
       --  Pastor Fuzz    Link  


Edited by Slartibartfast - September 14 2010 at 04:41

Actually, I was thinking for a few seconds about the whole shower issue and I realize it should be gay men the ones who wouldn't want to shower with attractive straight soldiers... 

The T wrote: Rabid wrote: I don't understand the paranoia of showering with gay people......if you're hetrosexual and someone who's homosexual approaches you, is it beyond capability and intelligence to simply say 'no thanks, I'm hetrosexual'?   If you're THAT bothered by it, take a cork into the shower with you.     The only two reasons to be afraid of showering with gay people are:  1) Afraid they might rape you (?!?) 2) Afraid you might like what you see and YOU might find something in your self that you kept hidden.  So the cork is not a good option. For 1) you might take a gun to the shower. For 2) the best idea is to bring vaseline, latex and lotions...

Wow, T, you got Pat to use an emoticon! Well played indeed.