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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2010 at 22:04
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

You appear to have missed every point I tried to make. 

What was the middle part?

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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

You appear to have missed every point I tried to make. 

What was the middle part?
That middle part that sez "A seasoned witch could call you from the depths of your disgrace."
Just guessing.
Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

You appear to have missed every point I tried to make. 

What was the middle part?

What do you mean?
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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You never saw A Fish Called Wanda, did you? LOL
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I don't particularly enjoy movies. 
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

What Llama describes might be a two-sided sword... Yes, we encourage the child to follow his interests. But maybe we're also teaching him that he'll always be able to do what he wants (a total falsehood in real life), and maybe, also, the child will not show any interests at all but play and play and have fun. Pure pleasure. 

A more structured approach to home-schooling might sound much better... Llama's case might have worked, but I can't say it will work most of the times. 


I've been away from my computer for a few days, so I'm sorry about replying to this so late.

First, I was never "able to do whatever I want." There was structure and discipline in my family life, just not very much in my schooling. Second, I do not believe that any child who is not developmentally disabled will not be interested in learning. Children's brains are giant sponges that are designed to absorb information. They are amazing learning machines. It's what they're built to do. The only cases I've ever seen of home schoolers being apathetic towards learning are ones who came to it after already experiencing compulsory education, where learning is treated like work instead of a natural by product of life. Of course they were soured on the experience.

Third, I agree with you that some childen might require more structure than I did. As I said before, I do not recommend my method in every case. I should add that I and my sister were always given the option of attending public school. Every year or so, my parents would have a conversation with us about what we wanted to do regarding our education going forward. I think as long as there is honest communication between parent and child a lot of potential problems never even arise.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 

You appear to have missed every point I tried to make. 


Why does it have to be that I've 'missed' them? Why can't you accept that I simply don't agree with all of them?

I think you're expecting the rest of the world to one day 'wake up' and realize that your way of viewing the world is the right way. I'm simply pointing out that it won't happen. You and I may think that our perspectives make the most sense, but I'm trying to be realistic and take others' views into consideration. I'm sure you would be satisfied if public school was still around, as long as a more effective alternative were made available, right? That way people really would have a choice between which method to educate their kids, and they wouldn't have to be super-rich to do it. 

I'm sure that over time the more effective method would win out (privately-funded public education run by people and not the state). But you have to give the world time to transition. A change of direction of the magnitude you're talking can't happen overnight. I think you and I can at least agree on that, can we not? But I think if such a system came about where folks could compare the norm to the alternative over an extended periods of time, the proof would become glaringly clear, and people would start gravitating toward to newer methods of teaching their kids more and more.

Baby steps, my friend. Just don't wipe the slate completely clean when something better is not yet in place.
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It's the logic of his position.
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Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 

You appear to have missed every point I tried to make. 


Why does it have to be that I've 'missed' them? Why can't you accept that I simply don't agree with all of them?

I think you're expecting the rest of the world to one day 'wake up' and realize that your way of viewing the world is the right way. I'm simply pointing out that it won't happen. You and I may think that our perspectives make the most sense, but I'm trying to be realistic and take others' views into consideration. I'm sure you would be satisfied if public school was still around, as long as a more effective alternative were made available, right? That way people really would have a choice between which method to educate their kids, and they wouldn't have to be super-rich to do it. 

I'm sure that over time the more effective method would win out (privately-funded public education run by people and not the state). But you have to give the world time to transition. A change of direction of the magnitude you're talking can't happen overnight. I think you and I can at least agree on that, can we not? But I think if such a system came about where folks could compare the norm to the alternative over an extended periods of time, the proof would become glaringly clear, and people would start gravitating toward to newer methods of teaching their kids more and more.

Baby steps, my friend. Just don't wipe the slate completely clean when something better is not yet in place.


I mean you missed my point because your responses weren't addressing the same subject that my post was addressing. So you missed the point. That may be on me for not communicating it, but I'm saying it honestly and not as a veiled insult. You missed the point.

I would be happier if changes were made in the direction you suggested, but I would be far from satisfied. When I see an injustice I won't be satisfied if its made simply more just. If I see that education can be improved, I won't be  satisfied if its improved to half its potential. 

I agree that overhauls can't be made overnight. However, the change I'm suggesting could mostly be implemented overnight. 
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I agree that overhauls can't be made overnight. However, the change I'm suggesting could mostly be implemented overnight. 


But not to the majority's satisfaction. Wink At least I don't think. Most people would take issue to even the smallest amount of change without being shown first how and why the change(s) would be a good idea. That's all I mean when I speak about gradual change. 

Anyway, if I truly did simply fail to address what you were saying earlier, I am sorry. Wasn't intentional. But I tend to miss the point a lot, so hopefully you'll bear with me if that should happen again. LOL
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I'm a bear of a bearer so I'm happy to bear with you. 

Well of course people wouldn't like it. People wouldn't like any change I would like to see made. They would like the effects the changes would bring, but they would never agree to them. 
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I'm a bear of a bearer so I'm happy to bear with you. 

Well of course people wouldn't like it. People wouldn't like any change I would like to see made. They would like the effects the changes would bring, but they would never agree to them. 

So, you're saying that you know what's best for the rest of us, even better than we would know ourselves?

I didn't know you'd become a Liberal, Pat. Tongue

Just teasin', I know what you're saying. I think we actually agree on more than I initially thought. We just don't see completely eye-to-eye on some of the details. 
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“We hoped for a chance to get beyond some of the old political divides between Democrats
  and Republicans, because although we are proud to be Democrats, we are prouder to be
  Americans - and we believed that no single party has a monopoly on wisdom."
    -- Obama, still trying to reason with the snarling, barking dog,    Link  

 
 Why can't Obama wrap his head around the facts in front of his face?
 He's NOT going to reach, or reason with, the snarling, barking dog.

 For Christ's sake, Barack, it's a snarling f-ing dog.

 This is what Obama is facing.

 

 This is what Obama thinks he's facing.

 

 The snarling dog CAN'T reason the way we do - it has no brain or cognitive ability.
 The snarling, foaming-at-the-mouth dog isn't going to hear or understand anything Obama says.

 Why can't our president learn that?

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"What if Obama is so outside our comprehension, that only if you understand Kenyan,
  anti-colonial behavior, can you begin to piece together his actions?"
      -- Newt the b*****d,     Link
  
 
  What if Newt Gingrich is so f**ked that you have to ask your dying, hospitalized wife
  for a divorce to have a goddamn clue what the hell he's talking about?


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