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jammun

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Posted: September 09 2010 at 22:05

Padraic wrote:

jammun wrote:

Not to be too pedantic, but MA did not exist in the 17th century.

Are we talking about Massachusetts?

The Massachusetts Bay Colony most certainly did exist in the 17th century.

I was assuming the state.

Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.

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Posted: September 09 2010 at 22:07

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Not to be too pedantic, but MA did not exist in the 17th century. People, at least me, do not have much leisure time now, though for me that will change shortly (please faceless corporation let's just get it over) and I welcome it. Maybe I'll have some time to home school myself, as I have done countless times over the decades, if only to be able to find another job.

Public education still has its place. My children went to a public school where generally something like 70% of the students did not come from families where English was even a spoken language, and a similar percentage were of said families were below government-defined poverty level. I'm sure home schooling would have worked out real well for those. (Realistically, in spite of public education they spent a lot of time maiming and/or killing each other. And still do.)

I am not against home schooling at all. But let's set some boundaries and give 'em a chance.

Just realized I'm pulling the "but think of the children" card.

Oh well.

It existed. Just not as a state in the Union which didn't exist obviously. Anyway, if you know you're being too pedantic, why say it? I don't know what you're point is. I don't have much free time, but the fact is that we undeniably have much much more free time than people did in the 17th century.

I don't see why you don't think home schooling worked as the dominant force in educated all over the world for throughout history, but now it is suddenly infeasible.

"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "

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Posted: September 09 2010 at 22:08

jammun wrote:

Padraic wrote:

jammun wrote:

Not to be too pedantic, but MA did not exist in the 17th century.

Are we talking about Massachusetts?

The Massachusetts Bay Colony most certainly did exist in the 17th century.

I was assuming the state.

Well no "states" existed in the 17th century lol.

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Posted: September 09 2010 at 22:08

jammun wrote:

Padraic wrote:

jammun wrote:

Not to be too pedantic, but MA did not exist in the 17th century.

Are we talking about Massachusetts?

The Massachusetts Bay Colony most certainly did exist in the 17th century.

I was assuming the state.

Why would you assume I meant the thing that didn't exist rather than the one that did?

"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "

jammun

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Posted: September 09 2010 at 22:12

Sorry, tt was the use of MA abbreviation.

Edited by jammun - September 09 2010 at 22:15

Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.

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Posted: September 09 2010 at 22:18

No sweat brah.

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jammun

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Posted: September 09 2010 at 22:31

Actually, it's my brainwashed mind that's misinterpreting since MA did not even exist as a legit abbreviation (as in representing a state) until the Great Postal Reform of whenver it was . I'm too lazy to look up when they changed that but it's in my lifetime and they still can't make any money.

Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.

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Posted: September 09 2010 at 22:44

And I still say our poor huddled masses, provided they are here legally, still deserve at least a chance at an education. I don't care if it's public or private or home-schooled or whatever.

There's a Little Somalia just down the street from me. The children don't adapt so well, their parents being goatherds by birth, and as such they are goatherds. But they are here now, and last I checked demand for goatherds is way down, along with everything else. Can we not give them a chance at an education that will make them good productive mindless tax-paying citizens, rather than keep them on the dole? Either that or just send 'em all back to Somalia so that they can engage in piracy.

My son has spent a considerable amount of unpaid time with these kids (hey, he's not working anyway), tutoring them after school. They need all the help they can get. They are not getting it at home and never will.

Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.

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Posted: September 09 2010 at 23:01

(wolf) Pat!
Glad to see you back!

EDIT: LOL WOW
my eyes see what they want apparently

Edited by JJLehto - September 10 2010 at 03:10

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Posted: September 10 2010 at 06:32

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: September 10 2010 at 08:16

Oh the liberal myth that increases in consumer spending are a good thing.

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Posted: September 10 2010 at 08:40

Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote:

Staying off topic:
A question for you home schooled folks. How wealthy are your parents? Because it's nice if your parents can do it and are competent to do so. And do you believe this is even practical for the rest of us?

People had much less leisure time in the 17th century in America, yet there were few public schools (which existed only for the poor) and no compulsory education laws, except in MA which established both as part of their mini-theocracy. People still got educated back then.

They probably had about the same amount of leisure time as we do now, (17th century was pre-industrial so work was more seasonal), but with only oil and candle lighting there wasn't a whole lot they could do with it.

What?

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Posted: September 10 2010 at 10:52

Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Oh the liberal myth that increases in consumer spending are a good thing.

Elaborate please. This sounds interesting. I would think that in the society you want you also need strong spending.

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Posted: September 10 2010 at 11:11

The T wrote:

Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Oh the liberal myth that increases in consumer spending are a good thing.

Elaborate please. This sounds interesting. I would think that in the society you want you also need strong spending.

We covered this in my macroeconomics class last night. All else equal, a higher savings rate leads to a faster growing economy, because the money people save gets invested by businesses into new machines (capital) and research (technological development) which raises output in the long run. A higher savings rate necessarily requires a smaller consumption rate.

Edited by thellama73 - September 10 2010 at 11:11

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Posted: September 10 2010 at 11:13

I can side with that, certainly.

I was checking the libertarian's party website last night. Many things I can agree with. There are others that I can't (eliminating some welfare for the worst-off, Pat's road-privatization project).

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Posted: September 10 2010 at 13:20

thellama73 wrote:

The T wrote:

Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Oh the liberal myth that increases in consumer spending are a good thing.

Elaborate please. This sounds interesting. I would think that in the society you want you also need strong spending.

I like when we answer for each other.

I would add that the common confusion is that in good economics times, people tend to spend more, as they are making more money, and thus have a higher disposible income. Classic confusing correlation with causation. Of course, the spending of more money is a sympton of prosperity, but it does not cause it.

America's problem is that it does not save, not that it does not consume.

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Posted: September 10 2010 at 13:21

Dean wrote:

Equality 7-2521 wrote:

The data would disagree with you.

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Posted: September 10 2010 at 13:23

Equality 7-2521 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

The T wrote:

Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Oh the liberal myth that increases in consumer spending are a good thing.

Elaborate please. This sounds interesting. I would think that in the society you want you also need strong spending.

I like when we answer for each other.

America's problem is that it does not save, not that it does not consume.

Damn! Here I am actually agreeing with all of these. Good points.

On another note, "I like when we answer for each other" sounds cute. Tongue

Edited by The T - September 10 2010 at 13:23

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Posted: September 10 2010 at 13:25

I was laying on my stomach, swining my feet in the air, and giggling while I typed it.

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Posted: September 10 2010 at 13:25

thellama73 wrote:

My parents are well off now, but they were quite poor when I was young. One common misconception about homeschooling is that the parents have to function as teachers. At least in the variety that I was raised under, I was basically just encouraged to pursue my own interests. If I wanted to learn something, my parents would buy me a book. If I didn't want to learn something, I was not forced to. If I had trouble understanding something they would help to the best of their ability, but they were far from formal instructors.That being said, I have never held the view that everyone should be homeschooled. Many parents do not have the time nor the temperament for it, but I think it's a really great option for those that want to try.

What you're describing sounds more like unschooling, something I personally don't agree with. No offense.

To answer slarti's question: my family lived comfortably for many years until my parents divorced. After that, it became much harder for my mother to properly provide the schooling I needed. That's a big reason why I went to public high school. Do I recommend schooling at home to others? Honestly, no.