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Slartibartfast 
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 Posted: September 08 2010 at 06:28 |
According to Coultergeist he's an atheist.  
The problems I have with Obama are
1. Not being as liberal as he's been accused of being.
2. Trying to compromise with and reach consensus with a political opposition that has no interest in doing so.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 06:31 |
 Henry Plainview wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
The Truth wrote:
His presidency has been nothing what he promised, I'll leave it at that. All politicians lie but he has had a larger number IMO.
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They don't weigh the promises at all. That's ludicrous.
If in a campaign I promise a $5 tax refund for all Americans and America will not enter any foreign wars, then I grant the rebate and unleash our nuclear arsenal on the world, I should not have a 50% promise kept rating. |
Weighting promises would introduce bias. :P |
You could introduce a weight in an objective way.
Their analysis is bias anyway. It's not like it's a clear cut decision if he kept a promise or not.
Edited by Equality 7-2521 - September 08 2010 at 06:31
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 07:07 |
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I think it's much more of a matter of not living up to expectations rather than promises. I voted for him and support him as president, however, when he was running I read about him in the real liberal media so my expectations weren't particularly high.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 07:22 |
You mean the Trotskyite media.
Also I think promises would be more important than expectations since the politician explicitly states the former while being only partially able to influence the latter.
Edited by Equality 7-2521 - September 08 2010 at 07:24
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CCVP
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 17:44 |
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Oh, so the congress has to approve the govenrmental spendings? That sure seems to get in the way of everything, actually.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 18:06 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
You mean the Trotskyite media. |
Care to name names?
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manofmystery
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 18:57 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
The problems I have with Obama are
1. Not being as liberal as he's been accused of being.
2. Trying to compromise with and reach consensus with a political opposition that has no interest in doing so.
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1. I'm pretty sure Slarti doesn't believe Che was liberal either. Not sure what it takes for you, really. You also repeatedly display this asinine belief, you have, that how left or right wing a President is ideologically is based on what they have been able to "accomplish". President does not equal Dictator, at least not yet.
2. When the hell has he done that? As a sidenote: the bi-partisan side of the health care vote was the Nay side.
I've never really been sure what world you are living in Slarti but it sure as hell isn't anywhere near reality.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 19:13 |
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Well at least I don't attempt to insult someone or merely contradict someone without backing it up with some evidence and make blanket accusations. You might be able to learn a few things from Ivan...
Edited by Slartibartfast - September 08 2010 at 19:14
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 19:22 |
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meh che was a bit liberal I guess.....but enough for me really
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 19:49 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
You mean the Trotskyite media. |
Care to name names?
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I'm going to assume you're a Daily Kos fan.
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 19:53 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
You mean the Trotskyite media. |
Care to name names?
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I'm going to assume you're a Daily Kos fan. |
Cant say I am personally
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 19:59 |
Seriously Equality 7-2521 is that the best you can come up with? I occasionally drop by there by a link. That's an internet site, not print media that happens to have a web site. I can give you hints...
Edited by Slartibartfast - September 08 2010 at 20:03
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 20:01 |
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Yeah I assume that was a classic Pat joke?
daily kos, the media?
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manofmystery
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 22:00 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Well at least I don't attempt to insult someone or merely contradict someone without backing it up with some evidence and make blanket accusations. You might be able to learn a few things from Ivan...
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You say the same thing in every political thread: Obama isn't a liberal. Are you denying that? I don't want to have to search for all instances (not that I have the time to anyway) but I've read it from you over and over. I am actually curious as to what you think a liberal is. I must confess that, even though I think I started this thread, I haven't been keeping track of it but from what I've seen in other politicial threads you just seem to pop in with the occasional pot shot political cartoon or "not liberal enough" statement. I'd like to actually read something about your true ideology and why you think the way you do.
I'm not meaning to insult you but if you're thin skinned then it can't be helped.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 22:33 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Seriously Equality 7-2521 is that the best you can come up with? I occasionally drop by there by a link. That's an internet site, not print media that happens to have a web site.
I can give you hints...
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That's the most Trotskyalicious I could think of immediately.
My libertarian credentials would be harmed if I could name too many.
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The T
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 22:35 |
manofmystery wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
The problems I have with Obama are
1. Not being as liberal as he's been accused of being.
2. Trying to compromise with and reach consensus with a political opposition that has no interest in doing so.
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1. I'm pretty sure Slarti doesn't believe Che was liberal either. For christ's sake Ernest Che Guevara was no liberal Mom, he was a marxist-lenininst. Liberal is a different thing, something that in principle is actually quite similar to what you want ("laissez faire"). It's only here in the US where the term liberal is used for left-winger... In ALL other parts of the world is more associated with free-market apostles... And yes: let's talk about Guevara or any other communist... Let's see how much you've read and studied of non-US politics... Probably nothing, if you are ready to say something so reeking of ignorance as "Che is a liberal".. |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 22:37 |
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Hey T we're in America. Is it so strange we would use the term as the American meaning instead of the international one?
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The T
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 23:15 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Hey T we're in America. Is it so strange we would use the term as the American meaning instead of the international one? |
PAt, we're on the INTERNET. Yes, we're talking about American politics on this thread but Mom is talking about somebody he doesn't even know about it would seem... And, really, any person with a hint of knowledge about Guevara will laugh, in America or anywhere else, regardless of the dictionary you want to use, at him being called a "liberal"...
Edited by The T - September 08 2010 at 23:16
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CCVP
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 23:17 |
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That is quite true Teo, The USSR (and Cuba, for that matter) was (is for Cuba) many things, but liberal was (is) not one of them. . .
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 23:20 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Hey T we're in America. Is it so strange we would use the term as the American meaning instead of the international one? |
You realize America is a continent, right? 
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