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Topic: Odd time-signatures apreciation Posted: August 31 2010 at 19:23
1st thing, i dont jnow if im the right lounge, just tough that maybe if we can use this to aprecciate specifics genres or bands, why not apreciate a separate caracterisic of prog?
Well, I consider a odd time signature, the times that arent in 2, 3 ,4 ,6 ,9 and 12 (but can be 6, 9 and 12 without being a compound, like in supper's ready apocalipse in 9/8)
Not exactly talking about the complexity of the time-signature, but the different feeling that it brings
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Posted: September 01 2010 at 03:27
I think 7/4 is way overused in prog, prog-metal especially.
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Posted: September 01 2010 at 07:03
the Turn It on Again's 13/4 is amazing, because of how Collins managed to make it seem like a C signature (C = 4/4). I think that's my favourite odd time-sig.
This thread seems like a nice idea to me. If we had a composer / drummer among us maybe he'd like to show us an unusual pattern of his idea.
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Posted: September 01 2010 at 07:22
It does not need to be an extremely complicated time signature, I love even how good prog bands can make a song in a simple 3/4 while totally avoiding it sounding like a waltz or a polonaise.
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Posted: September 01 2010 at 16:12
The beginning of Indiscipline is pretty wild. I've never even figured out what it is. I'm pretty sure it has a lot to do with playing on up beats, then down beats alternating. But who the hell knows, and Bruford's crazy drumming doesn't help at all.
Caravan does lots of 6/8 and 5/8 alternating, or it could be viewed as 11/8, either way it's awkward sounding.
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Posted: September 01 2010 at 16:37
Peter Gabriel also has a great use of odd-time signature in Solsbury Hill. Most of the song is is 7/4 but he makes it flow so well, you don't even notice! Also I love Awaken by Yes where its 11/4 in the second section of the song!
Check out the 21/16 in the verse and the 19/16 during the guitar solo. Amazing stuff. And it's funkay!!!
Jesus! Always heard bout Zappa. Maybe for that people conside that his sheets are unreadable? I personally couldnt count but the feeling is so amazing!
Falx wrote:
I think 7/4 is way overused in prog, prog-metal especially.
yeah you re right. So do the 5/4. Even Vanessa Hudgens composers wrote a song in it XD
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If you want insanity try counting the intro to "Firth of Fifth" instead of just doing it by feel.
some time ago i was trying to play it and saw the sheet.
garla1lh wrote:
Peter Gabriel also has a great use of odd-time signature in Solsbury Hill. Most of the song is is 7/4
Keeping on, i suggest Two Suns in th Sunset (5/4) by Pink Floyd and Brighter than a thousand suns by Iron Maiden (lets get some prog related here, 7/4 , exactly as Falx said)
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Posted: September 02 2010 at 03:58
there are many... my personal favorite: the sound of muzak by PT. it's a 7... but you feel it as a 4 at the first listening... but gavin makes it groove as you can move your head and enjoy the song... but when played live... kick ass!! don't get lost in the counting when gavin's playing...
a friend close to me, drummer too, told me that he found boring finding that odd signatures are played very even and sometimes very evident....but it's a common critic, because some elements. well, after all, he seems to like anything at all :P
by the way, knowing that siignatures in 7 are very common in progresive in general, still being my favorite... why? dont know... was the first one i catch when started to listen prog.
memorable for me:
the cinema show (the entire final solo section is adorable. is in 7/8) the battle of the epping forest is awesome too...
the dance of eternity by, is one of the songs that feature the most metric changes and signatures in one song...
planet X, has some of the most bizzare time signatures in their compositions, too challenging to play!! examples given: "micronesia", "ignotus per ignotium" and "warfinger". by the way, "alien hip hop" is in 4/4. but the ostinato, is a motherf...
sieges even: the waking hours. gorgeous: intro
3, 2 and 5/4 mixed...
verses on 4... and 3. and some other...
chorus: 4,2, and 3/4 or 8th note equivalent...
the solo in 4/4. with a section in 3/4 and 2/4... and all this... is my interpretation... need correction.
sense of change and sophisticated feature the most creative odd time work i have heard... and still the one i still like any time i spin them!.
UK's in the dead of night!!(and dont forget by the light of day and the reprise presto vivace)! cross patterns!! the bass plays in 4/4. the drums plays in 4/4, the keys are in 7/8, and its sung without a signature almost... beutifull... the solo, allan holdsworth forgets the signature and delivers another dimension.
also check on danger money's randezvouz 6:02 solo... and the ostinato. the main intro, is the typical 7/8 too...
not too "proggy": Sting's Seven Days, is not in 7, is in 5/8.
anyone into jazz/jazz fusion??
well:
Esperanza Spalding's Esperanza features "I adore you", a samba in 3/4
hiromi uehara's time control feature many crazy stuff too...
and pat metheny's the way up. you can appreciate it in many perspectives... i think.
King Crimson: my favorite still three of a perfect pair and frame by frame...polyrithmic workout.
Anekdoten -- Book of Hours starts out in 9 w/ the rhythm section in 13. Quite lovely.
KC -- Fracture contains a bit of the old 17/16 along with several other changes.
Not many people know Phish's Letter to Jimmy Page but it helps to count that one out in 1/8. You can catch a bit of it here. Jump to 4:20 (no, seriously) if you want to go straight to it.
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Posted: September 03 2010 at 12:27
Faust - It's a Rainy Day,Sunshine Girl, from the album "So Far". Brilliant track. What is the time-signature there? Must be the oddest rhythm i ever heard on a track.
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Posted: September 04 2010 at 04:36
Rottenhat wrote:
Faust - It's a Rainy Day,Sunshine Girl, from the album "So Far". Brilliant track. What is the time-signature there? Must be the oddest rhythm i ever heard on a track.
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 01:31
And what about Kontarkosz from MAGMA. I tried to extract the score of the violin part but was unable to find any time signature (or "a contrario" lot of , changing all the time)
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irrelevant wrote:
some time ago i was trying to play it and saw the sheet.
You can catch a bit of it here. Jump to 4:20 (no, seriously) if you want to go straight to it.
