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Chris S
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 05:10 | ||||
^ The thing is Olav, IMO she should really belong in Prog Electronic.
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Marty McFly
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 05:45 | ||||
But as you said earlier Chris, each team makes his own inclusion policies, or in other words - demands. And you know what demands of Prog Electronic are. |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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Chris S
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 13:09 | ||||
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Moogtron III
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: August 18 2010 at 13:12 | ||||
She's exceptional and very talented. For me everything prog stands for, but I suppose she doesn't fit prog as defined on this site. I don't mind. But for me, personally, she stands in a direct line to the old '70's prog heroes, even if her music is more "song" - based, so to say.
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Marty McFly
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 14:59 | ||||
I know that, but I'm not saying anything bad against Prog Electronic team, or Philippe, their leader. I'm just saying that from the look on charts, there is not so much Prog Electronic artists. There's really nothing bad about it and I'm not implying anything like that. |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 21 2010 at 01:31 | ||||
Well, they have William Shatner http://www.progressiveears.com/asp/artistdir.asp?artistAlpha=S&pg=3 and Jerry Lee Lewis http://www.progressiveears.com/asp/artistdir.asp?artistAlpha=L&pg=2 also.
So, not too reliable in seird selections.
Iván
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Dean
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Posted: August 21 2010 at 03:07 | ||||
GEPR is not immune either for they list Pete Brown, Duncan Brown, Edgar Broughton, Clannad, Cocteau Twins, Chrome, Sandy Denny, Einstürzende Neubauten and (I could go on, there are plenty more, but I'll stop with) Spinal Tap.
So while it's amusing to point out some of the more absurd listings in PE, it doesn't prove anything - what is important is what we do, and for that it may be necessary to put aside preconceptions and prejudices and actually listen to the artist.
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Windhawk
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Posted: August 21 2010 at 03:42 | ||||
Came across this one on Amazon:
Avant Rock: Experimental Music from the Beatles to Bjork (Feedback (Chicago, Ill.), V. 3.) [Paperback]Bill Martin < id="contributorASIN1" value="B001JS5H0U" =""> (Author), Robert Fripp (Foreword) |
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Logan
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Posted: August 21 2010 at 12:13 | ||||
I don't believe that Bjork would fit in well in the Progressive Electronic category even if she has Kosmische qualities/ influence. I think she'd be better for Crossover for her Art Pop music, but that's up to the teams, of course, to determine. Edited by Logan - August 21 2010 at 12:15 |
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Marty McFly
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Posted: August 21 2010 at 15:11 | ||||
Indeed, that's possibility. I'm not that familiar with her work, so I would have to understand her work better before making any judgements. I just pointed out why not Prog Electronic. |
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Neu!mann
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 12:19 | ||||
Interesting discussions here...
My own two cents (this from a veteran forum lurker) is that Bjork certainly rates a spot in the Archives, and not just for the Medulla album.
Her music isn't 'Prog' in the fossilized stylistic sense of the word, but if this is a site that claims to value musical uniqueness, individuality, and forward-thinking aesthetics, then there really isn't much of a choice, is there? And when you consider how her own musical ambitions have evolved over the years (a lot of her live music is especially inventive) I think it's fair to say she's (small 'p') progressive, no doubt.
There are plenty of other bands listed here (quite a few in the Post Rock pages) which arguably aren't in any way Prog Rock; so why the resistance to Bjork? It can't be some sort of gender bias (we hope)...maybe just a question of category? 'Prog Related' sounds fair to me. Or 'Eclectic': a word which was practically invented for Bjork...
...and besides, I know for a fact (thanks to his web diaries) that Robert Fripp is a fan: that's a better recommendation than I could ever make..!
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Neu!mann
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 12:27 | ||||
And the Swedish band Ritual (listed here at Prog Archives, and highly recommended for fans of Scandinavian Neo-Prog-Heavy-Folk-Whatever Rock) has devoted a lot of their music to the moominfolk!
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Logan
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 12:29 | ||||
I don't think she's appropriate for Eclectic partially because she is on the art pop side (which is why I thought Crossover as a possibility, which, by the way, can equal Eclectic plus mainstream/ pop). Prog Related probably is the best place for her, but there are strict criteria that make entry very difficult.
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Windhawk
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 13:05 | ||||
The most obvious difficulty with her inclusion is that she's famous and selling millions though. Inclusions of artists with mainstream success, for one reason or another, tends to lead to outbreaks of extremely hostile and aggressive knee jerk reactions and prophecies of how this site is leaving prog and how the world now is about to go under and Armageddon to follow.
Cue Steely Dan, Journey, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Blue Oyster Cult - to name but a few such cases. |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 14:12 | ||||
Robert Fripp is a fan of Kayne West, so I'd say that's not a decisive argument
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Chris S
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 14:20 | ||||
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Windhawk
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 14:26 | ||||
Taking a brief checkup with the electronic team on this one. If the answer is as I surmise, she'll be on the Crossover charts for eval in a bit :-)
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Chris S
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 15:13 | ||||
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Marty McFly
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 15:40 | ||||
We'll see. Most of you probably know her work, but so far, I discussed only theoretically, I don't know even one single song by her. What do people think that's her most Prog, Medulla ? And second ? |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
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Logan
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 15:55 | ||||
Homogenic Live is worth a listen, I think. |
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