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Pangaea 
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 Posted: August 17 2010 at 11:16 |
 Dick Heath wrote:
In the heyday of progressive rock (late 60's and early 70's) , it was said the music found a home with middle class teens and 20's , and especially those who were doing some form of higher education. Hence a suggestion: prog was more popular with those who might be thought to be 'intelligent' and enquirying - indeed the perahps the more argumentative part of the youth population? So whilst the following might reflect an old man's arrogance: what happened to self enquiry, |
Oh here we go again. The old Prog is only for intelligent people while dummies listen to those 'other' forms of music argument.
I think the tendency always was: you discover a band of whatever genre (but let's say Prog so we can pretend to be talking about a superior art form) and you like it. THEN, if you were really interested, you'd do some research, read a book about the band or the times or some aspect that the band/music triggers in you.
I can't imagine going out and reading all kinds of books or articles on some unknown band that I may or may not like. There are far too many bands and books to do that for. You go read a 500 page book on Lynyrd Skynyrd or somebody only to discover later, after you buy their record that "hey, these guys suck! Sure glad I spent all that time reading about them."
Self enquiry is just that - it flows from the self. Something hits you, then you do the smart-guy stuff like read a book or find everything ever written about them on the internet.
To be honest, lots of people discovered early Prog bands like Yes and Genesis based solely on their strikingly creative album covers. And THAT'S what pulled them in. Hey, there's something creative going on here. Then they found the actual music.
Of course, back in the day you'd never find ANYTHING written about these bands outside of a superficial Circus magazine article once in a great while. And that was only for the biggest Prog bands. And yet people discovered them anyway without all this self-congratulatory intelligent research.
As for all those threads like What Was the First Prog Album , Was Lamb Lies Down first neo-prog album etc etc etc ad nauseum, I think those are started more out of boredom and an absence of creative thought; some people have to always appear to be doing something so they throw those out there. The sheer number of those type threads here on this Prog site actually speaks against your argument that Prog is for intelligent folks.
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moshkito
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 13:45 |
Pangaea wrote:
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To be honest, lots of people discovered early Prog bands like Yes and Genesis based solely on their strikingly creative album covers. And THAT'S what pulled them in. Hey, there's something creative going on here. Then they found the actual music.
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That and the start of FM radio which gave you the music in Stereo and sounded way better.
And one of my first guides???? Easy!!! ... all the Hipgnosis' covers! It covers almost one third of all the startups that eventually defined "prog" ... most of which people here are not willing to listen to.
Kinda sad when no one knows or is capable of even saying hello to Roy Harper! And guess where Mike Oldfield got his start? ... yep! With Kevin Ayers!
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Evolver
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 14:17 |
moshkito wrote:
Pangaea wrote:
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To be honest, lots of people discovered early Prog bands like Yes and Genesis based solely on their strikingly creative album covers. And THAT'S what pulled them in. Hey, there's something creative going on here. Then they found the actual music.
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That and the start of FM radio which gave you the music in Stereo and sounded way better.
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And at one time FM radio actually played prog bands.
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 14:26 |
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Not so much. I bought a couple issues of Classic Rock: Prog, but then I realized it was too expensive and I could get most of what it had in there from Wikipedia. INTERNET!
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tuxon
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 17:01 |
I never read books about music, I used to read some magazines, but at a certain point I realised that all those magazines never went further than the more popular bands, which is the dificulty with every form of communication about everything, we need some common language in which we communicate,
basically every prog discussion can start with discussing Genesis/Yes/King Crimson/Pink Floyd and it can lead anywhere you want it too lead.
no need to do research 'caus you can't find what you want to find, all you will find in books is the trodden path of who's who and which bands sold well. obscure bands are not obscure without reason.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 17:04 |
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Hi Tux.
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thehallway
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Posted: August 23 2010 at 12:56 |
Gerinski wrote:
I just started a thread with the question "How did Genesis fans react to The Lamb" so I guess I'm being directly refered to here...
I'm not a prog novice, I'm 44 and I have listened to prog since before I knew what it was, my elder family members listened to prog while I was doing my addition and substraction and multiplication homework. My lifetime mates are also prog fans, we grew together listening to prog (and other music as well), we have had years of discussions, we have read magazines... you know what I mean.
I think I have a pretty good idea of how did Genesis fans react to the release of The Lamb. And if I want to learn more about it, sure, I can search the net and read stuff for 2 full days.
That's not the point. Reading is one very important thing, but it is something completely different from an internet forum. Reading is a 1-way exercise and the purpose is purely to inform and educate yourself.
Forums are an interactive amusement. I think many of us here use the forum as a sort of tool for chatting with other people who like similar music as we do, to engage in (hopefully) entertaining discussions, even if in many occasions we will hear again and again what we already know or what has been already said 100 times before.
I'm not expecting a single reply by an authoritative music history scholar telling me the objective truth of how did Genesis fans react to The Lamb. I'm simply expecting to hear other PA members' opinions and have some fun.
I understand what you mean and surely all of us can and should educate ourselves, but I think you miss the point of what a forum is for.
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To the Thread Starter:
If someone (and it isn't neccessarily just young people) says something annoying, unintellectual, uneducated, stupid, obscene, offensive, blasphemous, unneccesary, unoriginal or simply wrong, all you have to do is not read it.
The above things do waste time, but starting new threads to moan about something you aren't even forced to read or participate in, wastes time doubly so.
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O666
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 06:53 |
Evolver wrote:
moshkito wrote:
Pangaea wrote:
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To be honest, lots of people discovered early Prog bands like Yes and Genesis based solely on their strikingly creative album covers. And THAT'S what pulled them in. Hey, there's something creative going on here. Then they found the actual music.
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That and the start of FM radio which gave you the music in Stereo and sounded way better.
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Me and many( or some) fans like me never choose music because of cover. I living in Iran and 90% music I bought "DIDN'T HAVE COVER". I prefer to listen one or two songs or parts. I choosing music with my EARS not by my EYES.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 07:08 |
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I read daily about prog...
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nightlamp
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 21:20 |
I won't read a prog book just for the sake of it being prog, but I do make a point to track down print sources (when possible) about bands I like. It just seems like a no-brainer. Forum chatter can be fun and even informative, but nine times out of ten I'd rather read a well-researched article or interview with a musician I admire than page after page of opinion-based user reviews and comments.
On the subject of prog reading: I ran into some trouble recently when researching my master's thesis in music history -- I'm writing on the stylistic development of space rock in the early '70s, and when my gradaute advisor read my bibliography he cautioned me about discernment when evaluating scholarly vs. journalistic or "fan" sources. The trouble is, I can count the number of objective, scholarly treatments progressive rock as a whole on one, maybe two hands. Fortunately, my advisor was very understanding of my predicament...
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Kashmir75
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 23:38 |
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I buy Classic Rock presents Prog magazine. That's the extent of my prog research. I'm not writing a PhD thesis on the subject, its just a hobby of mine.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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ergaster
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Posted: August 25 2010 at 07:49 |
nightlamp wrote:
I won't read a prog book just for the sake of it being prog, but I do make a point to track down print sources (when possible) about bands I like. It just seems like a no-brainer. Forum chatter can be fun and even informative, but nine times out of ten I'd rather read a well-researched article or interview with a musician I admire than page after page of opinion-based user reviews and comments.
On the subject of prog reading: I ran into some trouble recently when researching my master's thesis in music history -- I'm writing on the stylistic development of space rock in the early '70s, and when my gradaute advisor read my bibliography he cautioned me about discernment when evaluating scholarly vs. journalistic or "fan" sources. The trouble is, I can count the number of objective, scholarly treatments progressive rock as a whole on one, maybe two hands. Fortunately, my advisor was very understanding of my predicament... |
I notice you are a grad student. Have you heard the joke: "You know you are a grad student when the reference list is more interesting than the article."? In that vein, have you searched out some of the sources that Edward Macan used when he was researching Rocking the Classics? Not directly prog-related (they wouldn't be) and they'd be old now, but some of them look interesting enough to track down for background and context.
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tamijo
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Posted: August 25 2010 at 08:59 |
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Is this tread turning into one of those treads, this tread is about. ?
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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