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jampa17 
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 Posted: August 18 2010 at 14:41 |
 Zargus wrote:
yes its settled and Atheism won, becaus its the truth. And religions are a bunch of fairy tales made by superstitious men. |
Oh, thanks for enlighten us... can we now just worship you...? 
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Dean
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 14:43 |
Xanatos wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
This video is boring as hell, don't know what it has about being funny...
Well Mike, if it's settled we surely won't have this conversation right? We have seen many arguments that doesn't fit your "answers" and as Dean said with wisdom, we will wait in the dark until it happen... well, just until 2012.
Once the waters remain in calm and the spirit moved over it. Then Mike create a thread and chaos was created... |
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No, I said we will wait in the dark for Judgement Day, or any other fictitious apocalyptic armageddon day you care to imagine/invent/concoct/dream-up/fantasise. |
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Dean
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 14:46 |
No. You are only allowed to worship real people if they play an instrument in a Prog band.
It's in the rules - page 85, para 3, subsection 12
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Trademark
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 16:11 |
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Hey, I play an instrument and I can't dress myself. I'm in.
You may now kiss the pinky. (sorry Ivan and jampa, no disrespect intended)
Edited by Trademark - August 18 2010 at 16:15
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JJLehto
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 16:22 |
Dean wrote:
No. You are only allowed to worship real people if they play an instrument in a Prog band.
It's in the rules - page 85, para 3, subsection 12 |
Well...I am real and if I define the word "band" loosely I play an instrument in a prog band. Worship me! Also, my goal is to become Pope. Technically, all you need is to be a Catholic male, which I am. I'll be pope one day and bring the Church down from within! 
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seventhsojourn
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 16:57 |
JJLehto wrote:
Dean wrote:
No. You are only allowed to worship real people if they play an instrument in a Prog band.
It's in the rules - page 85, para 3, subsection 12 |
Well...I am real and if I define the word "band" loosely I play an instrument in a prog band.
Worship me!
Also, my goal is to become Pope. Technically, all you need is to be a Catholic male, which I am.
I'll be pope one day and bring the Church down from within!
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There seem to be enough in the Church trying that already.
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JJLehto
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 17:12 |
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Well then, easier road for me!
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seventhsojourn
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 17:30 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ I would certainly agree that those swipes are not conducive to having a good discussion - I may have made some such statements in the past, and they were properly returned by the opposite site in most cases, but I also always favored specific topics. Take my post about the connection between Jesus and Original Sin, which is still unanswered while people focus instead on how many threads I start.
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Mike, if you can point me to the Bible passage that specifically mentions ''original sin'' I'll try to answer your question.
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Chris S
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 18:07 |
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In the old days....but we're going modern here.
I can dress myself fine.
Make me absolute monarch of the US and people will see how good I am.
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Bishop to Porn 3
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<font color=Brown>Music - The Sound Librarian
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 18 2010 at 20:43 |
seventhsojourn wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ I would certainly agree that those swipes are not conducive to having a good discussion - I may have made some such statements in the past, and they were properly returned by the opposite site in most cases, but I also always favored specific topics. Take my post about the connection between Jesus and Original Sin, which is still unanswered while people focus instead on how many threads I start.
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Mike, if you can point me to the Bible passage that specifically mentions ''original sin'' I'll try to answer your question. |
There's not such passage, except Romans 5:12 that mentions the sin of Adam.
But before answering this question , Mike would have to exp´lain why the Original Sun defies evolution, because there are many misconceptions.
For example, there's not agreement in scholars about Adam being a term hat defines man or mankind:
| There is not a little divergence of opinion among Semitic scholars when they attempt to explain the etymological signification of the Hebrew adam (which in all probability was originally used as a common rather than a proper name), and so far no theory appears to be fully satisfactory. One cause of uncertainty in the matter is the fact that the root adam as signifying "man" or "mankind" is not common to all the Semitic tongues, though of course the name is adopted by them in translations of the Old Testament.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01129a.htm
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So, the theory of a first and only man is not accurate.
Now, I heard many atheists saying that it's impossible to believe that men were created to live eternally...This is not accurate either:
Our physical bodies are created to die, but the real death for us is the privation of sanctifying grace, in other words, the death of our souls.
So maybe if Mike made a precision of this contradictions, would be easy to reply the question.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 18 2010 at 20:44
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: August 19 2010 at 00:24 |
seventhsojourn wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ I would certainly agree that those swipes are not conducive to having a good discussion - I may have made some such statements in the past, and they were properly returned by the opposite site in most cases, but I also always favored specific topics. Take my post about the connection between Jesus and Original Sin, which is still unanswered while people focus instead on how many threads I start.
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Mike, if you can point me to the Bible passage that specifically mentions ''original sin'' I'll try to answer your question. |
"Original Sin" refers to the sin of Adam, and I'm sure you'll agree that it is mentioned in the old testament. Besides, if this is your attempt at getting back at me because I said that the word "trinity" is not mentioned in the Bible - I fail to see the point, since I never refused to answer questions about the trinity or its origin until someone pointed out to me where it is mentioned in the book. 
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JJLehto
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Posted: August 19 2010 at 00:26 |
Chris S wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
In the old days....but we're going modern here.
I can dress myself fine.
Make me absolute monarch of the US and people will see how good I am.
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Bishop to Porn 3 |
HEY OH!
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: August 19 2010 at 00:28 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ I would certainly agree that those swipes are not conducive to having a good discussion - I may have made some such statements in the past, and they were properly returned by the opposite site in most cases, but I also always favored specific topics. Take my post about the connection between Jesus and Original Sin, which is still unanswered while people focus instead on how many threads I start.
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Mike, if you can point me to the Bible passage that specifically mentions ''original sin'' I'll try to answer your question. |
There's not such passage, except Romans 5:12 that mentions the sin of Adam.
But before answering this question , Mike would have to exp´lain why the Original Sun defies evolution, because there are many misconceptions.
For example, there's not agreement in scholars about Adam being a term hat defines man or mankind:
| There is not a little divergence of opinion among Semitic scholars when they attempt to explain the etymological signification of the Hebrew adam (which in all probability was originally used as a common rather than a proper name), and so far no theory appears to be fully satisfactory. One cause of uncertainty in the matter is the fact that the root adam as signifying "man" or "mankind" is not common to all the Semitic tongues, though of course the name is adopted by them in translations of the Old Testament.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01129a.htm
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So, the theory of a first and only man is not accurate.
Now, I heard many atheists saying that it's impossible to believe that men were created to live eternally...This is not accurate either:
Our physical bodies are created to die, but the real death for us is the privation of sanctifying grace, in other words, the death of our souls.
So maybe if Mike made a precision of this contradictions, would be easy to reply the question.
Iván
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If you can't be bothered to watch the videos, I won't be bothered to explain it all over again. You just confirmed it with your post, btw. Original sin is related to Adam, and Jesus is related to original sin - his sacrifice is required to atone for the sin of Adam. Take away Adam as a real person which existed exactly as the old testament says, and Jesus becomes completely pointless.
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seventhsojourn
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Posted: August 19 2010 at 01:36 |
Mike, I wasn't trying to ''get back at you'' but I was trying to be funny about the trinity question... in any case, Ivan got in ahead of you.
I really need to do some collab work today but I'll try to answer your question seriously this evening. I was working on some reviews last night till I got side-tracked by your question and ended up spending the evening reading the Bible! If I don't keep up with my team work I'll be getting my butt kicked! 
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: August 19 2010 at 02:46 |
^ No problem, and that's what I meant by "get back at you". I actually don't have any problem with that at all, I merely pointed out the connection. 
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Chris S
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Posted: August 19 2010 at 02:52 |
seventhsojourn wrote:
Mike, I wasn't trying to ''get back at you'' but I was trying to be funny about the trinity question... in any case, Ivan got in ahead of you.
I really need to do some collab work today but I'll try to answer your question seriously this evening. I was working on some reviews last night till I got side-tracked by your question and ended up spending the evening reading the Bible! If I don't keep up with my team work I'll be getting my butt kicked! |
That reminds me I need to track down Mike's weight loss thread to see if it references fat burners and whether there are any true believers in them.
Sorry to digress..
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<font color=Brown>Music - The Sound Librarian
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: August 19 2010 at 04:12 |
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^ What do you mean by "fat burners" - magical food or supplements that will help burning fat?
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Chris S
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Posted: August 19 2010 at 04:18 |
^ supplements that supposedley help burn fat as part of a fitness program. not fat inhibitors but supposed fat burning enhancers. best we take this up either in pm or your health thread, give it a bump if you know where it is so we don't derail this thread
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<font color=Brown>Music - The Sound Librarian
...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR]
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: August 19 2010 at 04:26 |
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I bumped the thread and posted my take on the subject.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 20 2010 at 00:19 |
Honestly, I used to watchyour videos until you posted the one about that guy who claimed to be the amazing, wonderful or Super atheist (don't remember the name he used), that was an insult to to intelligence.
But back to the point:
You say I don't watched your video....True, but I say you didn't read my post, the anwer is there, .
You claim:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Original sin is related to Adam, and Jesus is related to original sin - his sacrifice is required to atone for the sin of Adam. |
I already posted that:
| There is not a little divergence of opinion among Semitic scholars when they attempt to explain the etymological signification of the Hebrew adam (which in all probability was originally used as a common rather than a proper name), and so far no theory appears to be fully satisfactory. One cause of uncertainty in the matter is the fact that the root adam as signifying "man" or "mankind" is not common to all the Semitic tongues, though of course the name is adopted by them in translations of the Old Testament.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01129a.htm
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So probably we are not talking about a man., a but about mankind, or early mankind if you want.
Now you say:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Take away Adam as a real person which existed exactly as the old testament says, and Jesus becomes completely pointless.
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Why?
Can't humanity sin or disobey their pact with their God? I believe yes.
Already the Catholic Church said and I popsted irt before
| When interpreting Scripture and what it is saying to humanity, we believe we must pay careful attention to the genre that is being presented. Some sections of the Bible are historical facts, some are allegories, others are poetic. For instance, the Gospel of Luke describes events from eyewitness accounts and therefore is historical. As for books like Job and Jonah, the Catholic Church says we don't know for sure.
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So, you insist in literalinterpretation more than us...And the you criticize it. 
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 20 2010 at 01:04
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