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    Posted: August 10 2010 at 07:14
Hi!

I'm thinking about this for a long time... I'm a 70's progressive rock fan because of the songs of course but also because of the sound and interpretation and even because of the way albums were recording in the 70's.

Many bands recorded live as you know and the most important was to record the best "vibe" for the song even if there was some flaws here and there (or just noises like a plane (Led Zeppelin), sticks noises (King Crimson) for example).

Today, recording techniques are quite differen and many artists/producer are searching for "perfection" in sound and interpretation.

I'm curious to know your opinion about modern sound compared to old one and how interpretation is important for you.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 07:20
I'm happy with both.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 07:29
I also like the sounds of 70's music, but i don't find that today's sound and interpretation is bad because producers are aiming for perfection. If the compostion level satisfied me, that's the main thing. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 07:37
I don't see the difference in production quality, but rather in instrument tone and interpretation. There were records with polished production in the 70s and there are records with raw production right now, so that's not an issue I think. However just today I was listening to a 2009 release and expecting something as "contemporary" as possible, when a guitar solo in that unmistakable guitar tone and style from classic rock started, and I though "What the hell!?" 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 10:30
Seventies music was often recorden ten times more likely and less head-ache-creating then modern music. The use of high tones and treble in general is very important for music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 10:47
Actually I find "mistakes" such as the Led Zep plane quite interesting (ok, so I'm sad).  There is a whole web site dedicated to such things in Beatles songs - there are loads of them and it makes them seem more human.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 11:43
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Actually I find "mistakes" such as the Led Zep plane quite interesting (ok, so I'm sad).  There is a whole web site dedicated to such things in Beatles songs - there are loads of them and it makes them seem more human.


I agree with you about the human feeling, it's what I like actually.

I was thinking about this regarding to bands who recreate the seventies sound. Most of the times, it's really well done, using real Mellotron, Minimoog or other vintage gear but it's hard to recreate the 70's vibe using modern recording techniques, I feel something is missing, don't you?

Oh by the way, I'm not saying 70's sound is better or anything, it's not a fight, it's just to talk about differences about sounds, production, interpretation.

But an interpretation with "the" vibe but with flaws is sometimes better than a perfect take, isn't it?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 11:58
The main difference is quite simple: and the real reason why 70s prog is so much better than today's: The bands had very limited studio time, so the albums are all imperfect; there are little flaws on them everywhere. Today every little flaw is removed by just recording another take. This makes the albums perfect but hopelessly sterile. Fortunately there are still a few bands around that know it is the little flaws that give spirit to an album, but it is mostly the bands that have been around for thirty or forty years already.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 11:59
I don't think it really matters, I still get the same feel from both types of music flaws or no flaws.  Heck sometimes I can't even pinpoint what decade music came from.  Bowie's Space Oddity for example came out in the sixties but it seems very technologically advanced to me for its time.  I actually thought it was from the eighties when I first heard it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 12:14
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

The main difference is quite simple: and the real reason why 70s prog is so much better than today's: The bands had very limited studio time, so the albums are all imperfect; there are little flaws on them everywhere. Today every little flaw is removed by just recording another take. This makes the albums perfect but hopelessly sterile. Fortunately there are still a few bands around that know it is the little flaws that give spirit to an album, but it is mostly the bands that have been around for thirty or forty years already.


Very true about studio time! Well it's still the case today but editing techniques allow to work faster, to cut and paster etc...
Any ideas about modern bands recording in the old way? I thought a band like Astra is a good example, I don't know how they make their album but it sounds "natural" to me...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 13:22
I prefer the "hook up the mics and play" method with minimum overdubs.  I feel like a lot more bands today are multi tracking, which obviously is cleaner in the mix, but it looses a lot of feel, and gets rid of the possibility of improv's and spontaneity (I mean jamming, not improvised solos).  Thats another thing worth pointing out, the majority of bands today play their songs back the exact same way as they are on the album it seems, no unique versions of songs.  (jam bands and certain other bands contradict this, but there's always exceptions.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 13:50
I guess maybe if you grew up with crackling vinyl you crave imperfection, but I've never thought to myself that an album sounded "sterile" because of the production. At the moment I'm primarily interested in music that is partially or wholly improvised, but there's nothing with with glittering perfection on composed rock albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 13:54
Modern production encourages laziness, since lousy performances can be dropped onto ProTools and then strung together to create technically perfect Frankenstein's Monster that's not representative of how much the band actually sucks. Put them on stage and you'll see how terrible these new acts are. What's worse, modern recording, digital effects and other implements create a samey-stounding stew of sound that simply can't compare to the age where real musicians played real music and got it down on tape.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 13:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 13:59
I like both, but if I had to choose one, I'd definitely take the 70's sound. I really love the modern sound universum of i.e. Radiohead, but when I'm thinking of "tunes" or "songs", the less direct handling of the overall sound that epitomizes my favourite bands like Gentle Giant, Yes or PFM gets my vote everytime. My great regret is that nowadays so many prog bands sound like heavy rock bands.

Another thing that sways it towards the 70's is the structure: it is not a co-incidence that a classical or romantic symphony or a concerto often lasts between 30 and 45 minutes. The laws of drama force even music, and the typical duration of a 70's prog LP (usually between 35 and 50 minutes) simply works better than the mastodon CDs of today.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 14:13
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I guess maybe if you grew up with crackling vinyl you crave imperfection, but I've never thought to myself that an album sounded "sterile" because of the production. At the moment I'm primarily interested in music that is partially or wholly improvised, but there's nothing with with glittering perfection on composed rock albums.

I am not talking about imperfection of sound, I am talking about imperfection of performance. Even the best classical musicians make a lot of mistakes when playing live, but that's what gives the music its soul. If all the imperfections are edited out the result becomes sterile.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 14:35
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I guess maybe if you grew up with crackling vinyl you crave imperfection, but I've never thought to myself that an album sounded "sterile" because of the production. At the moment I'm primarily interested in music that is partially or wholly improvised, but there's nothing with with glittering perfection on composed rock albums.

I am not talking about imperfection of sound, I am talking about imperfection of performance. Even the best classical musicians make a lot of mistakes when playing live, but that's what gives the music its soul. If all the imperfections are edited out the result becomes sterile.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 14:41
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I guess maybe if you grew up with crackling vinyl you crave imperfection, but I've never thought to myself that an album sounded "sterile" because of the production. At the moment I'm primarily interested in music that is partially or wholly improvised, but there's nothing with with glittering perfection on composed rock albums.

I am not talking about imperfection of sound, I am talking about imperfection of performance. Even the best classical musicians make a lot of mistakes when playing live, but that's what gives the music its soul. If all the imperfections are edited out the result becomes sterile.

Opinion.

Not opinion; it is the truth.  These imperfections are what make music sound alive., else you might as well let a robot play. If programmed right he will make no mistakes at all. Modern recordings are usually as bloodless as a young woman that has been guest at a vampire banquet.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 14:45
I tend to prefer a warm, rawer "organic" sound over a shiny, overproduced one, and that includes the performance itself.  I like bands that offer either one, sure, but my preference is the former.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2010 at 14:56
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I guess maybe if you grew up with crackling vinyl you crave imperfection, but I've never thought to myself that an album sounded "sterile" because of the production. At the moment I'm primarily interested in music that is partially or wholly improvised, but there's nothing with with glittering perfection on composed rock albums.

I am not talking about imperfection of sound, I am talking about imperfection of performance. Even the best classical musicians make a lot of mistakes when playing live, but that's what gives the music its soul. If all the imperfections are edited out the result becomes sterile.

Opinion.

Not opinion; it is the truth.  These imperfections are what make music sound alive., else you might as well let a robot play. If programmed right he will make no mistakes at all. Modern recordings are usually as bloodless as a young woman that has been guest at a vampire banquet.

Opinion.
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