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Posted: August 09 2010 at 01:05
CinemaZebra wrote:
JLocke wrote:
Alright, I can tell this thread has become a big joke by this point, so I'm not going to bother debating in here anymore for awhile.
I don't think you understand the importance of this discussion. I also believe it's rather cowardly of you to step out of it leaving other people's cooking (and eating) habits to fend for themselves when they could easily be following the wrong direction quite blindly.
Don't use me as a punchline, please. Have your fun, but don't bring me into this joke if I don't wish to be a part of it.
What do you mean? There's only one way to cook noodles and it's very rigidly defined on the bag.
And who wrote those directions? Some really good chef you'll never see or even know exists? Maybe some corporation wrote that so you will cook the noodles how they want!
The directions were written by someone who designed the noodles and knows them by heart.
That is crazy. You think its just that simple? Someone just invented the noodles like poof? There was taste testing, and mixing formula's all that. A lot of work went into it, and it was a process that took a long time to perfect.
And during that process he or she tested various methods of preparing the said noodles to make them perfect and THE BEST METHOD was chosen and written down on the bag.
You know, lets agree to disagree. Maybe its not so much the how/what/why thats important. The fact is we have these perfect noodles and they are delicious. Lets just appreciate it regardless.
But did someone say paprika? Now we are getting into a whole different ball park!
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 01:16
Dean wrote:
I find the videos pointless - either you agree with the content or you don't - if you don't there's not much you can do about it, it's not like you can argue back to the guy who made it (which a bit like my Nan saying "goodnight" back to the Newsreaders at the end of the News bulletin - sure you can do it, but unless you're past 80 and not sure what day it is, people will stare at you).
Last night I was watching the old debate between Ahmed Deedat and Jimmy Swaggart entitled "Is The Bible The Word of God?" and at one point Deedat (because Swaggart used it in his closing statement) brings up the passage in Acts 9 concerning the conversion of Saul on the road to Damascus where in KJV bible it says:
5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks."
whereas the NKJV (which Swaggart used) says:
5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”
and later versions omit the phrase completely:
5And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting."
If that is the word of God, Deedat argues (and I'm paraphrasing), why did they change it from 'pricks' to 'goads'? ... What is this word 'goads'? - I have been asking Christians for years what is 'goads' and they don't know - I do not know this word, it is a new word, 'goads' - they changed 'pricks' to 'goads'... why?
At this point I'm thinking ...hang on Ahmed Deedat was a really smart chap - he was an erudite and knowledgeable Muslim scholar who was well versed in the Bible and its meanings. Surely he must know that the phrase is referring to the long pointy stick that 1st century Hebrew farmers used to poke the oxen who were pulling the plough, which is known as either a prick or a goad - the two words mean the same thing and are interchangeable. And I then it dawned - of course Deedat knew the meaning - he was counting on his audience not knowing, and more importantly, Haggart not knowing. As I said - he was a really smart chap.
Anyway, that other dude - the one in the video on the previous page that I watched for 44 seconds - if he said that oxygen was a necessary element for life on Earth I'd feel like arguing against him because he had that kind of arrogant manner and attitude that makes you want to metaphorically kick him in the goad.
You're basically saying "I don't like the guy, so I won't listen to anything he says". I just don't see how that could be seen as a sensible position from any perspective.
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 01:16
JJLehto wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
What do you mean? There's only one way to cook noodles and it's very rigidly defined on the bag.
And who wrote those directions? Some really good chef you'll never see or even know exists? Maybe some corporation wrote that so you will cook the noodles how they want!
The directions were written by someone who designed the noodles and knows them by heart.
That is crazy. You think its just that simple? Someone just invented the noodles like poof? There was taste testing, and mixing formula's all that. A lot of work went into it, and it was a process that took a long time to perfect.
And during that process he or she tested various methods of preparing the said noodles to make them perfect and THE BEST METHOD was chosen and written down on the bag.
You know, lets agree to disagree. Maybe its not so much the how/what/why thats important. The fact is we have these perfect noodles and they are delicious. Lets just appreciate it regardless.
But did someone say paprika? Now we are getting into a whole different ball park!
What do you mean? I think it should be obvious to any living thing that God exists.
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 01:18
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Dean wrote:
I find the videos pointless - either you agree with the content or you don't - if you don't there's not much you can do about it, it's not like you can argue back to the guy who made it (which a bit like my Nan saying "goodnight" back to the Newsreaders at the end of the News bulletin - sure you can do it, but unless you're past 80 and not sure what day it is, people will stare at you).
Last night I was watching the old debate between Ahmed Deedat and Jimmy Swaggart entitled "Is The Bible The Word of God?" and at one point Deedat (because Swaggart used it in his closing statement) brings up the passage in Acts 9 concerning the conversion of Saul on the road to Damascus where in KJV bible it says:
5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks."
whereas the NKJV (which Swaggart used) says:
5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”
and later versions omit the phrase completely:
5And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting."
If that is the word of God, Deedat argues (and I'm paraphrasing), why did they change it from 'pricks' to 'goads'? ... What is this word 'goads'? - I have been asking Christians for years what is 'goads' and they don't know - I do not know this word, it is a new word, 'goads' - they changed 'pricks' to 'goads'... why?
At this point I'm thinking ...hang on Ahmed Deedat was a really smart chap - he was an erudite and knowledgeable Muslim scholar who was well versed in the Bible and its meanings. Surely he must know that the phrase is referring to the long pointy stick that 1st century Hebrew farmers used to poke the oxen who were pulling the plough, which is known as either a prick or a goad - the two words mean the same thing and are interchangeable. And I then it dawned - of course Deedat knew the meaning - he was counting on his audience not knowing, and more importantly, Haggart not knowing. As I said - he was a really smart chap.
Anyway, that other dude - the one in the video on the previous page that I watched for 44 seconds - if he said that oxygen was a necessary element for life on Earth I'd feel like arguing against him because he had that kind of arrogant manner and attitude that makes you want to metaphorically kick him in the goad.
You're basically saying "I don't like the guy, so I won't listen to anything he says". I just don't see how that could be seen as a sensible position from any perspective.
WHOA WHOA WHOA. Are you high? If you actually put pepper inside the tomato sauce, you will f**k up the taste instantly. Any human being can understand that you have to leave the pepper outside and then wait for it to boil and then you can release it in.
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 01:19
TGM: Orb wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Just watched this on YouTube ... very concise. I completely agree with it, and I recommend watching it to anyone who has been following this thread this far.
That video seems to be mostly devoted to reversible strawman attacks.
I have to wonder if anyone who claims to be able to disprove the existence of god in a nine minute video has ever wondered why so many bloody intelligent people have (and for a very long time) been religious and have explored theology...
If you watched the video, you could give some detailed examples of these "reversible strawman attacks" ... you can still do so, and I'll comment on them.
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 01:28
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ How so?
Because the guy is a perfect idiot (Referring to the amazing atheist)
I don't agree with Dawkins, but I have to admit the he is intelligent (fanatic, radical, but intelligent), this poor idiot claims having proved what the greatest minds in the world have never been able to prove.
When the video started I believed the guy was a radical Christian Fundamentalist making mockery of Atheists, because the guy has the style and arrogance sct preacher, like those who believe their word is the universal truth.
The guy talks about a caricature Christian, there are hundreds of cliches that reveal absolute ignorance of Christianity...This moron has mentioned all of them.
Then he says the burden of proof is in us who believe, hey, we only believe, we don't try to convnce ohers (At least most of us)....But then he says I HAVE PROVED GOD DOESN'T EXIST...Isn't the weight of proof on him?
You not only believe, you also pass on your belief to your children, in a way that makes it nearly impossible for them to think for themselves.
The burden of proof is on whoever makes a positive claim. If I said "You need to wear purple hat on Saturdays, or else you'll burn in hell" you'd laugh at me and demand some evidence before you even considered getting a purple hat. But when you see a Muslim women walking down the street with her hair covered for religious reasons, you respect her faith and say "well of course, her God demands her to do that".
Religion teaches an respect of faith, whereas Atheism teaches that evidence trumps faith. Or rather the absence of evidence in this case ... there is simply no need to follow faith based rules until there is evidence to prove that it makes sense to follow them. Need I remind you of the countless rules that Christians have been following over the last couple of centuries that even you today would find ridiculous?
Iván wrote:
Atheists like this guy make rational Christians laugh and will make radical fanatics even more fanatics, because an idiot can only cause a reaction on another idiot.
Iván
Like I said a couple of pages above: I'd rather be seen as an idiot than as an arrogant, offensive ....... .
I'll be honest Zebra and Vompi, I am not a chef at all. However, the internet is a great source! After all, there's tons of people around each with some knowledge, we can listen to what they got.
Though I do come from quite an Italian family, I know pasta Any questions about taste (rather than making) I am on board with!
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 02:24
CinemaZebra wrote:
WHOA WHOA WHOA. Are you high? If you actually put pepper inside the tomato sauce, you will f**k up the taste instantly. Any human being can understand that you have to leave the pepper outside and then wait for it to boil and then you can release it in.
Some people. Damn.
Have your fun all you want, and the pasta metaphore was entertaining once and almost amusing. But piss about quoting my posts into your gag and you're going on my list.
And yes, I am that vindictive, nasty and spiteful, it's somethng I learnt from a book.
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 02:31
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
You're basically saying "I don't like the guy, so I won't listen to anything he says". I just don't see how that could be seen as a sensible position from any perspective.
Honestly? You are a better man than I then Mike, because if he sat next to me on the bus I'd get off at the next stop. If anyone spoke to me in that manner and tone I would simply turn my back and refuse to listen to them - that is a perfectly sensible, and very reasonable, position from my perspective.
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 03:54
CinemaZebra wrote:
I'm an intellectual child unable to contribute meaningfully to an adult discussion and to be honest it kinda threatens me when other people do so I take refuge in attempting to derail it and hope that people are amused by my zany antics. It's a good thing some others joined in or I would have had to start shouting out euphmisms for genitalia in my sad bid for attention.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA I AM SO FUNNY LOOK AT THE FUNNY THINGS I DID AHAHAAHA OH IT'S SO VERY FUNNY
Yes, Zebra. The internet is serious, serious business. Especially here on this music web site. Cut the tom foolery or people with a taste for the pretentious and self indulgent, (even for our standards) will be quite upset. Not that I'm going to name a name in particular....
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 01:05
Any questions about taste (rather than making) I am on board with!
Theism vs. Atheism ... will it ever be settled?
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