For my Libertarian friends

The T wrote: Hey MOM, once more the charm. One reason you libertarians (and specially you) get such strong reactions is because you just can't talk about what other people say without using words like "idiocy, stupid", or other ones like them. It would appear the ones wanting to force people into their system (or lack thereof) are you, the advocates od absolute freedom. Equality, you say MOM just wants to be left alone. Well, that requires society doing what he wishes, that requires him imposing his will on others. If people so want a libertarian society to emerge, it would have happened or it will happen one day, but not because MOM wants to be left alone, but because everybody else wants a system that permits that. You don't live alone. So make your dreamed system prevail and then you'll be alone MOM, if not, you're just a maladapted loner. By the way, when we talked about burqassome people said maybe women in islam don't want the full freedom we westerners seem to impose on them. Maybe most people in general also prefer a system with rules and a governing body and limitations? Maybe they can be as free as MOM is by not wanting to be as free as he wants them to? You are the ones who are so upset because your ideal libertarian society is not in place. Then work to make it happen instead of trying to make those who don't think it's all that good to look as the ones imposing things on people.

The T wrote: Hey MOM, once more the charm. One reason you libertarians (and specially you) get such strong reactions is because you just can't talk about what other people say without using words like "idiocy, stupid", or other ones like them. It would appear the ones wanting to force people into their system (or lack thereof) are you, the advocates od absolute freedom. Equality, you say MOM just wants to be left alone. Well, that requires society doing what he wishes, that requires him imposing his will on others. If people so want a libertarian society to emerge, it would have happened or it will happen one day, but not because MOM wants to be left alone, but because everybody else wants a system that permits that. You don't live alone. So make your dreamed system prevail and then you'll be alone MOM, if not, you're just a maladapted loner. By the way, when we talked about burqassome people said maybe women in islam don't want the full freedom we westerners seem to impose on them. Maybe most people in general also prefer a system with rules and a governing body and limitations? Maybe they can be as free as MOM is by not wanting to be as free as he wants them to? You are the ones who are so upset because your ideal libertarian society is not in place. Then work to make it happen instead of trying to make those who don't think it's all that good to look as the ones imposing things on people.

 

Yeah people completely unconcerned with the document shouldn't reference it. 

The T wrote: Hey Pat, MOM is old enough to speak for himself (which he just did). Hey MOM, you say "f**k politicians" but you are making political statements anyway. f**k THESE politicians might be a better fit. You say "I'm all for freedom" yet you want a system where they left you alone, I insist, maybe people prefer what we've got (that's another debate). I'm not arguig against freedom. I'm just arguing against the ideas you hae to obtain it and against the illusion that you are the one speaking for everybody and I'm some stalinist museum Piece.

Speaking of which, here's someone who has no idea what the purpose of the Constitution is.

I'll highlight this one so one might see the flaws in so many people's thinking:

"22. Create a Constitutional requirement that all able-bodied young Americans devote at least 2 years of their lives in service to the country."

The Constitution does not tell citizens what they must and must not do.  It tells citizens what the federal government can and cannot do.  That simple.

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Proletariat wrote: ^^^ equality, why would we want complete freedom? how would this benifit anyone? you can not just tear down a well established system and expect to find order... and least of all freedom. Just look to the french revolution to see what a complete dismantaling of many pillars of modern american government would be like.

For the answer to this question, please read the previous ninety-four pages of this discussion.

Proletariat wrote: ^^^ equality, why would we want complete freedom? how would this benifit anyone? you can not just tear down a well established system and expect to find order... and least of all freedom. Just look to the french revolution to see what a complete dismantaling of many pillars of modern american government would be like.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: Proletariat wrote: ^^^ equality, why would we want complete freedom? how would this benifit anyone? you can not just tear down a well established system and expect to find order... and least of all freedom. Just look to the french revolution to see what a complete dismantaling of many pillars of modern american government would be like. Look to the French Revolution? So I should look to a tyrannical government with an overbearing government to see why freedom won't work? Why wouldn't we want freedom? This will benefit the people who are preyed on by those in government. This will benefit the people, who want to express their freedom.

yes. look to what happens when systems are radically altered in the name of freedom. verry often we see the opposite.

Hey Shields, I just mentioned a comment that you made defending MOM. And hey, I might be a moron. I won't descend to your level and call you names. You're full of anger, I understand.

By the way, I defend freedom. Just think for a second Equality, I'm just opposing your view of freedom. It seems a lot of people think like me. Are we all freedom-hating morons? No, we have a different view of things, that's all. Anyway, as I said I'll check into some of your ideas via books and texts. Let's see if reading words of people who don't insult and pretend they have figured out everything is better for my even liking your proposals.

It's a shame. Your ideas have potential. You are just an atrocious spokesperson.