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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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What is prog?
No seriously. First true blue prog rock album? Probably In the Court... |
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earlyprog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Neo / PSIKE / Heavy Teams Joined: March 05 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 2157 |
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In my view, among those to be considered as the first full prog album:
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earlyprog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Neo / PSIKE / Heavy Teams Joined: March 05 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 2157 |
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akajazzman, I have studied this subject, and back in May 2009 I got this answer directly from Geoff Nicholson:
Dan
Mercator Projected was recorded in January 1969 I think. It must have been released in June that year (as I still have some reviews dated that month)
Hope this was of help.
If you want a lot more information about East of Eden there is a Polish website called pearlsofrock.republika.pl with much more information than I have.
The link is: East of Eden - Main Menu
Geoff Nicholson
But I have to add that I think he remembers the date wrongly and have concluded that it was recorded December 1968 and released in February 1969. I think I posted this analysis on PA around May 2009, and you can dig it out if you like. |
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akajazzman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 13 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 124 |
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Earlyprog! You're a gift from Heaven! I'm thrilled to hear that the East of Eden came before ITCOTKC. I've been listening to bits of it, but because of you I just ordered the CD. I really didn't want to start a debate about "what is Prog" and whatever. It was basically a simple question. Most people think of ITCOTKC as the first "Prog" album for a variety of reasons, but in short it involves their virtuosity as a band and individual players, that their jams that are more than just noodling, but composed, and that certain Prog sound that "my" ears can hear. Doesn't seem that complicated of a question.
I actually do consider early Family, Nice and even Moody Blues as Prog. But my friend, and many others don't, they put ITCOTCK as the very first in the genre terms as I discussed above. OK, I can accept that, so, then, within "those" parameters, is there anything that beat ITCOTKC to the punch?
Your list has some very viable options, but one for sure in my opinion, is East of Eden's Mercator Projected.
Now I win my argument with my friend.
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aspinosa ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: May 16 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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Love - Forever Changes, DaCapo
Velvet Undergroung Strawberry Alarm Clock
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
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Back in 68 Steve Miller Band released a record called Children of the future. Up till then they had been playing as a backing band for Chuck Berry. Anyway, the first 5 or 6 songs are in many ways close to the symphonic prog that exploded a couple of years later, albeit for a certain psychedelic flavour that emanates from the vocals.
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Ronnie Pilgrim ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 09 2010 Location: The South of TX Status: Offline Points: 771 |
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Good call!
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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I did not know the month that "In the Court of the Crimson King" came out,, but if it was October then most likely Amon Düül beat them to it. even if we dismiss the horrible "Psychedelic Underground" Amon Düül 2's "Phallus Dei" also came out in 1969. And which month did "Sea Shanties" by High Tide come out?
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CinemaZebra ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 13 2010 Location: Ancient Rome Status: Offline Points: 6795 |
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Knowing both of those other albums, I'm now curious.
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Rabid ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: May 20 2008 Location: Bridge of Knows Status: Offline Points: 512 |
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Steppenwolf - January 1968
I'm not sure it was the first prog album....(probably not).
You can't tell me that 'the Pusher' is'nt progressive, tho....I used to scare my mum with this.
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uduwudu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 17 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2601 |
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Is the point of this to porove / disprove that, sublime as it is KC's ITCOTCK is not the first prog / suymphonic rock album. It may be the best, most consistent and innovative before new Year's Day 1970 but not the first. Trying to get cohesive opinion about this is like trying to find a definition (that all agree upon ) as to what a prog album is.
I've not heard it but what about Giles Giles and Fripp's album? Pysch pop I think but prog? Spose I should find a review.... ![]() I still go with Days Of Future as the first. Mid 67 and as thematic as you could get. Somewhat dated (60s spoken poetry) occasionally heavenly melodic, nothing scary ... well except for until the UK Top Ten Prog Rock Band special hosted by Bill Bailey 'watch out the waiter's on acid..." Ray Thomas' presence... ![]() cheers |
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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my point is not to disprove that ITCOTCK is not the first prog album, my point is to show that it makes no sense to ask the question in the first place. there is no such thing as the first prog album
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uduwudu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 17 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2601 |
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I suggested this as this is not the first time this question has been posited. Often to push the case of Crismson as the first equals best.
Probably the closest thing to estimate is that there was a tendency for creative musicians in the rock world in 1967 - 1968 to play something more ambitious than 3 chords and the truth (sic.) The only real facts are albums and tours. ![]() It might be interesting to discuss the first if only for such sdiscussion to inform people like me of albums that maybe / are worth hearing/ spending non existent (i.e. credit card ca$h) ![]() Sort of In Search of The Lost Prog Fix. ![]() |
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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human beings like to categorize. "the lion is a mammal and the crocodile is a reptile". unfortunately things often can't be categorized like that.. there are always borderline cases, in zoology as well as in music. it simply makes no sense to say "this was the first". evolution is a gradual process
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Yes, exactly, but what is a forum for, if not for the fun of speculation... ![]() |
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akajazzman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 13 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 124 |
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It makes complete sense to ask the question in the first place. If so many people consider ITCOTKC the first "Prog Rock" album, why not ask the question?
Still, clearly I needed to be a little more precise in my wording, but to deny that there is a certain ground zero factor of ITCOTKC is to fool one's self. It may not be the first Prog album, if only because of various definitions of "Prog Rock", but many "do" in fact consider it the "First" of something (i.e. modern Prog Rock). There's a definate sound and approach to that album that is post-psych, and most certainly "Prog Rock" as most people define the term. It was also hugely influential on future Prog rockers (including Yes and Genesis, who made their sound more complex after hearing ITCOTKC).
BUT, as I was celebrating, I now think East of Eden beat KC to the punch, with their sound. (call it Prog rock or not).
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Train of Thought Dream Theater
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And one important thing: You cant call me fool. Never forget that.
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