For my Libertarian friends

Yeah, really is a personal thing. I have no doubt a home schooling can work quite well.
Did for llama.
All depends.
Wouldn't work for all, or even most, but then again neither does the "regular" education.
And kids can get easily screwed up in either way, so yeah.
Whatever a parent would want to do.


Edited by JJLehto - July 31 2010 at 00:36

Epignosis wrote: JJLehto wrote: Whatever a parent would want to do. Now who sounds like a Libertarian?

It's all good, even if done in a more federalist way you put forward the idea of taxes paying for healthcare
eh, easier to say socialist

So this, drugs and marriage privatizing
The list of things we all agree on is growing....


Edited by JJLehto - July 31 2010 at 00:38

Since this is the libertarian thread...

Equality 7-2521 wrote: I think Ron Paul would actually be a better president than Jefferson who was in many ways disappointing.

From an economic standpoint, Jefferson was one of the worst presidents we ever had, yes. I like him as a Founding Father but that's about it.


Edited by horsewithteeth11 - July 31 2010 at 10:57

horsewithteeth11 wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: I think Ron Paul would actually be a better president than Jefferson who was in many ways disappointing.  From an economic standpoint, Jefferson was one of the worst presidents we ever had, yes. I like him as a Founding Father but that's about it.

Well I think he's far from the worst ever.

horsewithteeth11 wrote: Since this is the libertarian thread...

Someone told me once that if Ron Paul became President black people in the US would technically go back to being 3/5 of a person.
And that was from a supporter! (Pre popular support too)
Not sure how I feel about the fact he wanted to bring that up

*Implies Ron Paul supporters want slavery back*



Edited by JJLehto - July 31 2010 at 13:15

Equality 7-2521 wrote: I doubt that person was a supporter. That's complete nonsense.

No no, it really was but yeah...I'm thinking he was being a bit silly was all. Of course its nonsense
Just have to keep the mood light is all.




Edited by JJLehto - July 31 2010 at 17:45

I think I understand a basic difference here: 

Edited by The T - July 31 2010 at 18:09

The T wrote: I think I understand a basic difference here:  Liberals think people are not as good as they should be. Libertarians thinks they are.  Liberals think people left to their own devices is not beneficial for everybody. Libertarians think people should be left to their own devices regardless of the societal outcome.   Liberals don't totally trust people. Libertarians trust absolutely (too much?)  Libertarians have more faith in people than liberals.  Liberals think on should be's... Libertarians think on be's....

Except for the second one, I think you are totally wrong here. It is liberals who think that if you disincentivize hard work, people will do it anyway for their own edification. Libertarians recognize that humans are self-interested creatures and will generally only do what benefits them. That's why we advocate an incentive structure that allows people to follow their nature while still doing good for society. The only thing we "trust" is that people will look out for number one. This includes government officials. Liberals believe these people can be relied upon to look out for everyone else, whereas Libertarians know that there's only one person they can be trusted to look out for.
We don't think people are as good as they should be, but we don't think you can make them better with laws taht rely on coercive force.

JJLehto wrote: The T wrote: I think I understand a basic difference here:  Liberals think people are not as good as they should be. Libertarians thinks they are.  Liberals think people left to their own devices is not beneficial for everybody. Libertarians think people should be left to their own devices regardless of the societal outcome.   Liberals don't totally trust people. Libertarians trust absolutely (too much?)  Libertarians have more faith in people than liberals.  Liberals think on should be's... Libertarians think on be's....  Well that one for sure. And I dont know if those others are totally true, Im guessing a libertarian (who disagreed with those) would say its about the right to choose and freedom, more than anything. Trust depends....libertarians certainly dont have much, if any, trust in the government..while I for example, have admitted that my trust in business people/companies is quite low... I do kind of see it though, we've seen a few times here "I think a totally private run system of "X" would run fine and be enough" healthcare for example. I did see that as a case where I, and I assume you T, dont have the faith/trust that people will do what is needed, (though I also dont think it physically would be enough anyway)

There's some confusion going on here. We don't think private industry will run things well because we trust the people involved, that would be insane. We think it would run things well because if it didn't, it would lose money and people don't like to lose money so there's an incentive to do a good job. It has nothing to with trust.


Edited by thellama73 - July 31 2010 at 19:34