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Trademark 
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 Posted: July 30 2010 at 13:48 |
""all atheists are mean and stupid, they smell bad, the atheist men have
small penises, the atheist women have small breasts"
We'll have to ask Mike if these things are true. 
Edited by Trademark - July 30 2010 at 13:49
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Epignosis
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 13:54 |
 JJLehto wrote:
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Unless you mean 5 am! In which case.....that may be when I fell asleep last night 
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I do mean 5 am as that's when I'm getting out of my shower and starting to cook breakfast.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 13:57 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
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Unless you mean 5 am! In which case.....that may be when I fell asleep last night
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I do mean 5 am as that's when I'm getting out of my shower and starting to cook breakfast.
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You're that eager to see what's been posted in this thread so you can respond? Damn, now that's dedication! 
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 14:01 |
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I try to sleep at most 4 and a half hours to really limit how much content I miss in this thread.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 14:02 |
Damn... I lost a battle among libertarians!
Anyway, I'm with those saying a profession doesn't make a person inherently better or his death necessarily more mourning-worthy... Cops are paid well to do their jobs, some of them get in the business only for the money, some of them get to boost their egos and their needs for control and what power they can exert, some are there because they want to shoot stuff, and yes, many are there because they want to serve and protect.
Don't paint them all with the same brush. If a policeman dies in the line of duty is sad, but I'll mourn more for the drunken bum that I saw every single day and with whom I spoke trying to understand his situation. No, this is purely hypothetical but real. Emotional connection, as Shields said (?!) is the source of this.
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CPicard
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 14:12 |
No, they are not. But, sometimes, people tend to use words in a rather loose and vague meaning, saying "vehicle" instead of "SUV". By the way, for some reasons, YOU have started to talk about atheists. I just gave a rather general (and, therefore, wrong) definition of the foundations of "racism". But, next time, I would be more precise, sharper, and I would make the distinction between "racism", "intolerance", "bigotry" et alli.
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 14:13 |
The T wrote:
I'll mourn more for the drunken bum that I saw every single day and with whom I spoke trying to understand his situation.
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 "I...uh...well I used to be a cop...but...*swig*...I once heard someone say *hic* that...he'd mourn more for a drunken bum than a *cough* cop."
Edited by Epignosis - July 30 2010 at 14:14
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 14:33 |
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I don't morn the dead, period, we all will go some time. Do your best to enjoy life and not hurt others.
Edited by Slartibartfast - July 30 2010 at 15:05
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 14:43 |
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You sound like a Lifetime movie.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 15:05 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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The T
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 15:05 |
False. Slarti said he doesn't mourn the dead. Give an example of one tear-less lifetime movie and I'll build you an empire... 
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manofmystery
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 16:03 |
Well, I may still post from vacation (I only go to golf, eat, and sleep. Everything in between those is dead time.) but I certainly don't have to read the 10 pages that piled on since I left. 
But what I gathered from JJ's post right after my last is that he doesn't believe that health care can be provided to those in need via private charity and that government still needs to become involved. Again, I must emplore everyone to step back from the notion that government is more capable of solving our everyday problems simply because that is what you've been taught all your lives.
Edited by manofmystery - July 30 2010 at 16:03
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 16:36 |
stonebeard wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Dean wrote:
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But why does that make the victim anymore noble?
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I think it's eminently obvious that taking up a risky line of work to serve society is a noble thing to do. But of course, not very many police officers have this intent I imagine when joining the force. Which is why not all military people should be congratulated when you just know some of them really wanted to shoot stuff, not serve the country. Let alone the tenuous relationship of "serving" the country fighting people in caves across the world. But a police man in your own neighborhood? it's a little clearer sometimes.
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You'd have to be a psycho to join the military just to kill things, and there aren't that many of those. I'm not going to deny that a lot of people are eager for combat (have you seen Generation Kill? It's pretty realistic in terms of their personality and motivations), but people join the military because they feel like they don't have any better options or to push themselves or whatever. Similarly, most people don't join the police force to serve and protect. I'm not saying that most cops are in it for the power trips, even though there are plenty of examples of that being the case, but my dad was a police officer for many years and most people see it as just a job that's preferable to others because of the pay. And as a cop, the entire organization will lock ranks to prevent you from being punished if you make a mistake, which is not a benefit you get with most other jobs.
Epignosis wrote:
You are effectively saying that all individuals possess an equal level of dignity, but I don't agree with this. Therefore, I will mourn the death of an honorable soldier killed in battle but not that of a drunken bum hit by a car while staggering across the street.
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That's just mean, a lot of homeless people are mentally ill. :(
manofmystery wrote:
Well, I may still post from vacation (I only go to golf, eat, and sleep. Everything in between those is dead time.) but I certainly don't have to read the 10 pages that piled on since I left. But what I gathered from JJ's post right after my last is that he doesn't believe that health care can be provided to those in need via private charity and that government still needs to become involved. Again, I must emplore everyone to step back from the notion that government is more capable of solving our everyday problems simply because that is what you've been taught all your lives. |
No, we've moved on to cops and prejudice against atheists, get with the program!
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Dean
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 16:57 |
^ damn, I missed that last one...
"Atheist is not a race" good one.
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What?
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CPicard
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 17:13 |
Dean wrote:
^ damn, I missed that last one...
"Atheist is not a race" good one.
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Isn't it when you gather a bunch of guys behind a line and tell them: "Go, guys, run, the first to get over the line made of the two trees wins!"?
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The T
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 17:13 |
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Spot on HP... Many "drunk bums" are schizophrenics or other mentally ill people for whose demise I'll suffer more (un fact I'm studying something related to it) than for a cop's whose job description requires that. The cop chose to be a cop. A mentally ill person didn't choose it. And many of them take the wrong roads of drugs and alcohol to try to get rifld of their awful sysmptoms like psychosis.
Don't be such a harsh judge.
Edited by The T - July 30 2010 at 17:25
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manofmystery
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 17:18 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
No, we've moved on to cops and prejudice against atheists, get with the program! |
How? Atheists and libertarians are very different.
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Time always wins.
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 17:25 |
The T wrote:
Spot on HP... Many "drunk bums" are schizophrenics or other mentally ill people for whose demise I'll suffer more (un fact I'm studying something related to it) than for a cop's whose job description requires that. The cop chose to be a cop. A mentally ill person didn't choose it. |
And both of you missed my point.
I mourn when someone doing a service to my family dies. A homeless bum, regardless of why he is homeless, does nothing for my family.
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CPicard
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 17:26 |
Epignosis wrote:
The T wrote:
Spot on HP... Many "drunk bums" are schizophrenics or other mentally ill people for whose demise I'll suffer more (un fact I'm studying something related to it) than for a cop's whose job description requires that. The cop chose to be a cop. A mentally ill person didn't choose it. |
And both of you missed my point.
I mourn when someone doing a service to my family dies. A homeless bum, regardless of why he is homeless, does nothing for my family.
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And what your family does for the homeless bum?
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